[S2][e1] Melisandre knew

My point is this. They aren't just saying words. They're saying words connected to the God of Light. They're performing rituals connected to the god of light. They're reading books connected to the god of light.

People say words connected to "Gods" in real life. It doesn't mean anything. People said words connected to Zeus, Satanist say words connected to Satan when they claim the devil is punishing people. People can consciously say words that connect to their deity, it doesn't mean there's credibility to their claims. Which god is real?

You're tunneling on two lines of thoughts for some reason: correlation = proof and if it's not correlation it's coincidence.

There are other possibilities that do exist in the real world. Placebo, intentionally deception, intentional indoctrination, delusions. Any of these can apply because it's ambigious, it isn't just it's true or it's coincidence.

Where is the magic without the red god?

That's part of the mystery. GRRM is basically of the same stance.

Otherwise you DO have to claim coincidence. You have to claim that "These things are magical not because the red god exists, but because these certain rituals and words just happen to be magical"

No you don't. Again you're tunneling on certain things and not taking into consideration of others.

You don't have to claim coincidence. They are magical not just because "they happen to be magical" They ARE magical.

The red god. But he certainly isn't the cause of it. No no).

This is a strawman argument. It was never said that it was impossible that the gods existed, just that magic itself doesn't necessarily prove that they do, it proves magic exists. He's said it in like multiple comments.

You're taking ambiguity and assuming it's a certain case because of association and correlation. But those along aren't proof, which is the point that's been hammered down a billion times.

You need to not tunnel your vision on what you want just for the sake of your argument.

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