Said No Thanks to the Starfish last night

Wasn't the massage and letting his "hands roam" foreplay? She took foreplay and called it not foreplay, just to deny him. That was a distortion, and he knew it.

Funny enough she didn't say "You're going to have to give me a longer massage", as if she felt entitled to that, to him being her man servant. Though I suspect that's what she was trying to see if she could get him to play that role with this little tantrum.

This is coming from someone that is certainly skeptical about red pill theory, because I hope it doesn't influence anyone to assert dominance in a relationship in an abusive way, outside this context. But it seems we're talking about a phenomenon that is subconscious, operating consciously with women only as emotion, but if understood is extremely clever. I doubt that most women don't understand it. The ego is clever. A woman feels the need to know her man is secure with his own value, his own needs, and in this case he needs sex, and she is wanting to test him to see if he's more invested in coddling her than asserting his needs. I know that what we're talking about here can arouse concern that this woman's needs are not being met, but denied by this guy just to trigger her insecurity...a manipulation that affects her self esteem perhaps... But remember she started this game with her distortion of what's going on. And appropriately his response was in defense of this, calm act of not engaging, to not to allow this distortion to exist. He WAS engaging in foreplay. If she's going to play games, fine. She's not entitled to a massage, it's a relationship where both parties decide the mutual benefits. He's not a masseuse that has been paid for an hours massage and is giving up after 30 minutes.

I wonder, do women do this often, the "shit test", just to ensure that a man's ability to see through bullshit and remain confident and assertive is consistent?

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