I'm not making excuses for anything?

I kinda don't even know what to say here.

The bit about the lion is just to show an example of how everything consumes everything, and it does. That's life. Your clothes, food, everything you have, eat, do, whatever came from something else.

Positions on animals people try and defend, are also just generally based on 'I love animals' and stuff, which I understand, but doesn't mean their usage wouldn't be less harmful in a lot of cases.

Take clothes then; Wearing a fur jacket is bad. Wearing polyester is OK.

Polyester at base is a petroleum product, and every wash flushes thousands of microplastics into the water, all this shit, but because it's not Bambi it's OK, but in fact, much worse.

Like, I get the love of animals bit, animals are awesome.

The reality of life is everything comes from something though, and to swing back to the fisherman from the start of all these threads, him fishing a few fish to eat is pretty OK.

It's when we do drag-net trawling that wrecks the ocean floor and other shit, or that we need 100000 billion tons to feed everyone and fish to extinction etc. things are bad.

You want to try and enact a position or?

There's no excuses here, this is the perhaps brutal reality of life.

Life consumes life to sustain life.