No, they're not. Not on the average stating salary, and they won't be in 2-4 years either.

Flyover states are different, and also industry dependent. If what you're saying isn't entirely made up, it's highly unusual.

See how competitive it is here on the east coast, and housing prices are higher. Chemical engineers also make a lot more in Alabama because no one wants to live there. Not because of the cost of living. Average starting salary for software engineering isn't even 60K.

If beta bucks means that women are looking for a paycheck then stop watering it down and stick to your guns.

Love does not equal looking for a paycheck. People marry those that they love. Beta bucks is a Terper feel- good fantasy.

"Stable" for a long-term endeavor is what both men and women are looking for, and ultimately they marry for love.

I never said women never do anything shitty, I said they don't need your money. No one needs your money and no one wants your money.

They have jobs and can pay their own bills. When they settle down, they do so because they want to. Not because they have to. And they do so for love. Not for money. So if you're incapable of love, you'll be discarded for someone that isn't.

That's why these marriages with the engineers are more likely to last. The woman is most likely educated, they most likely got married after the age if 25, and with her salary, which is probably not so far from his either way, they're doing pretty well.

That's marrying for love, not money.

Beta bucks is a way twerps abdicate responsibility for their actions.

But it's not a problem. You don't want to be this imaginary beta bucks guy, women will find love and happiness with someone else who knows it's utter baloney.

Win/win.