(Spoilers All) Was Robert Baratheon really a great war commander, or just a solid warrior?

You're kidding, right? I've met some irrational Stannis haters, but you're up there. He is the rightful king of Westeros and his little brother is publicly humiliating him by coming out against him. How can you call what he did a hissy fit?

Joffrey is the rightful king of Westeros, in as far as everyone knows (besides Cersei and Jaime) he is Robert's son. Even Stannis admits he doesn't have any real proof of the twincest.

Thus, Renly was hardly coming out against him as he doesn't consider him to have a valid claim. Not to mention, Stannis declares after Renly. Simply, the only one that Renly came out against was Joffrey.

Finally, it was Stannis who decided to attack Renly first by besieging Storm's End. Thus, if either of the two Baratheon Bros was having a hissy fit it was Stannis. Aka the one that repeatedly whines about he is being wronged all the time.

The fact that you refuse to accept that George takes serious dramatic license in the Blackwater, makes the whole exchange pointless.

One can equally argue that George was only using dramatic license to make it appear that Stannis could win the thing. Not to mention, a number of his military accomplishments that his fans love to harp on. Seeing how his actions at the Wall is a thousand times more unbelievable then Tywin's actions at Blackwater.

Blaming Stannis for the loss at Blackwater is like calling Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wards incapable because Luke managed to destroy the Death Star.

The Emprie failed at Yavin because their over confidence made them overlook the flaw in the Death Star. Thus, your example doesn't proof what you think it does.

Furthermore, as I said Tywin coming back to defend KL shouldn't be something unexpected. Nor was it completely unlikely that the Tyrells would join up with the Lannisters now that Renly is dead. Simply, Stannis's actions at Blackwater was a blunder and one that he performed before (SE) and was going to do again (Dreadfort).

but its another thing to let it mess with your interpretation of the books.

You mean like how your liking of him affects your interpretation of refusing to admit he made a mistake?

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