(Spoilers All) Why weren't Robert Baratheon and Tyrion Lannister better friends?

The ASOIAF is the 7 novels. This is basic stuff.

Nah, the series is everything set in the fictional world written by the author.

As I said. Retainer doesn't automatically equal a noble.

In basic feudalism it does. The gentry began to think of themselves as the men of their lord rather than of the king; individually they are known as the "retainers", and collectively as the "affinity" of the lord, among other terms. A Fool was not considered as one of his retainers, or advisor, I'm not sure why you think he is.

The existence of noble retinues doesn't mean his entire retinue are suddenly nobles. For example Moon boy, part of the retinue, but not a noble. Ditto for similar roles.

When Moon-boy is tasked with the responsibility of assembling men and keeping the Kings peace then you can come back with this argument. Or when he takes part in regular noble persuits such as jousting.

Thoros was a noble of Robert's court. I'm sorry that you can't see that or are so dogmatic that you are sticking to a wrong argument for the sake of it.

Both Ned and the Lannisters considered him one of the nobles.

"His eyes searched the faces along the wall. "Lord Beric," he called out. "Thoros of Myr. Ser Gladden. Lord Lothar." The men named stepped forward one by one. "Each of you is to assemble twenty men, to bring my word to Gregor's keep."

Ned picks four nobles of Robert's court to do the Kings bidding. Nobles command the commoners. This is pretty simple.

"From a drooping sleeve, heavy with gilded scrollwork, he drew a parchment, unrolled it, and began to read a long list of names, commanding each in the name of king and council to present themselves and swear their fealty to Joffrey. Failing that, they would be adjudged traitors, their lands and titles forfeit to the throne."

"The names he read made Sansa hold her breath. Lord Stannis Baratheon, his lady wife, his daughter. Lord Renly Baratheon. Both Lord Royces and their sons. Ser Loras Tyrell. Lord Mace Tyrell, his brothers, uncles, sons. The red priest, Thoros of Myr. Lord Beric Dondarrion. Lady Lysa Arryn and her son, the little Lord Robert. Lord Hoster Tully, his brother Ser Brynden, his son Ser Edmure. Lord Jason Mallister. Lord Bryce Caron of the Marches. Lord Tytos Blackwood. Lord Walder Frey and his heir Ser Stevron. Lord Karyl Vance. Lord Jonos Bracken. Lady Shella Whent. Doran Martell, Prince of Dorne, and all his sons. So many, she thought as Pycelle read on and on"

Thoros is quite clearly a Westerosi noble who has previously sworn fealty to the King. This is pretty obvious from this list, the responsibilities Ned gives him, Robert funding his equipment and his prominent role at court.

Sure, he's not from an ancient line or from a prominent House but he is quite clearly nobility of the Kings Court.

No, I said its not refered to as members of the court. You said it's in the appendix, I check just now and it actually isn't.

You might want to reread what you said.

Nowhere is the books is anyone refered to as being a member of the court. They are all at court.

Which was clearly untrue as I showed quotes from books with GRRM's series quite clearly stating members of court.

And then in the appendix we have

his court and retainers: not at court like you earlier claimed.. Rather than backtrack, why not just admit that you were mistaken, or does your opinion trump what the author has written about the laws of his fictional universe.

Of course it part of the series. It's in the novels. But as I said, they never refer to Thoros as a noble, a lord, or a member of the court. And even so, being a part of roberts court doesn't automatically make you a noble. For example, Moon boy.

Is that really the best you can do? Seriously? Well fair enough, point out when Moon Boy is told to swear fealty to the Crown along with every other prominent noble or when Moon Boy is tasked with assembling his own men to keep the Kings Peace and you will have a point.

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