This sub has a major problem with the way we talk about trans women.

Yeah, a lot of trans people get extremely pissed when you dare talk about socialization at all. Even though it's literally a thing it happens, you just aren't allowed to ever bring it up no matter what.

People behave certain ways, partly because of how they were raised. Ignoring that isn't going to help anyone. AMABs are raised as men, and AFABs are raised as women. That isn't somehow invalidating gender, that's just pointing out how people were raised due to their assigned gender. Ignoring that isn't going to help anyone, either.

And no, the "but terfs use that blah blah blah!" isn't a reason to ignore facts. Homophobes use "gay" as a slur, that doesn't mean we pretend like gay isn't a word. Transphobes use the argument "but trans people have a higher suicide rate!" that doesn't mean we pretend trans people are all happy and have amazing lives and cease all mental healthcare for them. You explain to them why it doesn't mean what they think it means, they don't listen, and then you move on.

It's like when sexists get irrationally angry when you dare mention that the way something is is based on sexism. It's literally just factual explanations for why certain things are the way they are, but we aren't allowed to talk about facts when it pertains to trans people. We have to pretend they aren't facts or else you get screamed at how you're invalidating the gender of trans women. And of course, it's only ever argued that you're invalidating them. To them, it's perfectly fine to say trans men were raised as women.

Trans amab people are not oppressors

A lot of them are, actually. About half of the trans women I interact with in other trans subs (especially asktransgender) love to go on about how trans men are privileged, pushing trans men out of their spaces, excluding trans men, etc. Sure, it's not all of them, but it's quite a few. Just like how a lot of the LGB treats trans people like shit.

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