A tale of two expenses claims: David Cameron's and Ed Miliband's

I just linked to the raw data: their actual expenses. It's up to the reader to read their expenses and make their own comparison and judgements. In other words, I don't give a shit who is the good guy and the bad guy and I make no pre-conceived judgements. I just linked to something that the parent comment asked for

If you were genuinely interested in offering a like for like comparison you should at the very least have presented the figures for 2007/8 and 2008/9 for Cameron. If they were not available, you shouldn't have provided them for Miliband.

I completely disagree. There are two types of people in this world:

  • those that know some data exists but pre-judge that the data shouldn't be allowed to be read by people for some reason or another. That's you.

  • those that think that all available data should be provided to everyone so they can read it and make their own judgements, analyses etc. because they are intelligent people that can form their own opinions. That's me.

I also disagree that the central issue is who had to pay back expenses or not, although I can definitely see that you would like that to be the central issue and it's the entire reason you created this submission. If one MP claimed £7k each year for 10 years and never paid anything back then he claimed £70k in total. If another claimed £1k each year for 10 years and paid back £1k then he claimed £9k in total. The later would have cost the public 8 times more than the former. So I think the full amounts claimed over a variety of years matter.

If someone paid back expenses then before making a judgement on them you need to know a few things: whether they had to or not (whether they just did it because the public tend to be a pitch fork wielding lynch mob so they chose to to play it safe matters), what their excuse for the over-claim in the first place is and how plausible the reasons they give are.

Full disclosure, I think Cameron is an asshole.

Sorry that life isn't simple and black and white but is instead complicated with many shades of grey. You'll get used to it eventually, .

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