TIL The Catholic Church considers the Theory of Evolution to be "virtually certain", and believes that intelligent design "isn't science even though it pretends to be."

Did I say without sin? No. I said that some of them didn't have 100% certainty some times. I don't equate that to sin.

What is your point if not to say that people in the Bible never sinned and therefore doubting the existence of God is not a sin?

And in this passage he's saying "maybe God will give us a miracle". Maybe is exactly the not 100% I'm talking about.

I never said it was a sin to not believe that God performs miracles whenever asked. I said it was a sin to doubt the existence of God.

About wavering, I don't necessarily agree it means doubting.

Other Bibles translate it as wavering. So find the original Hebrew word and we can debate about the meaning of it. If you waver from complete belief, the only direction to go is in the direction of less belief. To believe in something less than completely is to doubt it. Therefore, wavering belief means doubtful belief.

It's different to do something you are not 100% sure about than not doing it because you aren't sure about it.

To believe something is to be sure about it. You can't choose to believe or not believe based on how sure you are. If you're sure, you believe. If you're not sure, you don't believe.

That passage says without faith. Doesn't say without super super certain faith. My point is about the nature of the required faith, not about faith being required. That passage says you need to believe that he is and that he rewards. You can believe that in many degrees.

I only meant to prove that you need to believe in God to get into heaven. Other passages as well as experts on the religion argue that this belief needs to be absolute, without doubt.

About the Romans 14 passage he's saying we shouldn't do things without faith / in good conscience.

Yes, and my point is that this passage makes it quite clear that if one has doubt he doesn't have faith.

By that point in the book Paul has event talked about how a christian can be in a crisis of sin and still take comfort that Jesus is his savior

Care to quote a specific passage? In any case, this doesn't mean that sinning cannot lead to damnation, and there are other passages that I quoted that specifically say that you cannot enter heaven without faith.

About the Thomas Aquinas quote, yes, he is making that distinction. He's not the bible. My point isn't that no religious sources talk about 100% certainty required for such and such thing, but that some do, some don't, and that there are degrees to this.

We're arguing about the meaning of the word 'faith'. What is the point of adopting a minority opinion and then arguing with people, telling them that they're using the word wrong? The Bible disagrees with you, clearly. Thomas Aquinas, one of the most respected authorities on Catholicism, disagrees with you.

Thomas is honored as a saint by the Catholic Church and is held to be the model teacher for those studying for the priesthood, and indeed the highest expression of both natural reason and speculative theology. In modern times, under papal directives, the study of his works was long used as a core of the required program of study for those seeking ordination as priests or deacons, as well as for those in religious formation and for other students of the sacred disciplines (philosophy, Catholic theology, church history, liturgy, canon law).

Thomas Aquinas

Most people use the word faith in the way I have described. But if you really think of faith as something else, and something that people would kill themselves if they didn't have, why don't you explain what you mean?

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