TIL that "Chimpanzees, who cannot swim, have drowned in zoo moats trying to save others." And "Given the chance to get food by pulling a chain that would also deliver an electric shock to a companion, Rhesus monkeys will starve themselves for several days."

A lot of you seem to be thinking in black and white. "Monkey shows empathy towards fellow monkey. Monkey is placed in a state of uncomfortability for some days because of said empathy. Therefore, this is completely a crime and should be stopped." That right there is what I call "undergraduate level thinking", where you're introduced to a bunch of new topics that are relevant to modern dilemmas, but you lack the in depth know-how that a PhD student studying a specific topic has. Before I continue, I'd like to point out that I am a strong advocate for innovation in regards to more humane ways of experimental testing. The issue stems from, "Well, where do we draw the line?(in reference to progression of modern science through testing on animals) and the answer is, Humans vs. The Wild. We either uphold maximum ethical treatment and significantly slow down progression or we sacrifice maximum ethical treatment for an increased productivity in the progression of science, which brings me back to my disclaimer. We shouldn't necessarily cease this type of experimental testing, but we should be looking for ways to make each stage as humane as possible with our limited knowledge in our present day. The truth is that sacrifices have to be made in order to progress, but if you look way back in time, animals that were being tested, suffered way more severely than this. Compared to the type of testing we did years ago, this looks like childs play(relatively, of course). That's my point - over those many years, we have consistently made progression in more ethical ways of testing and ideally we will reach the point where no one has to suffer at all. We're not there yet. Change can't just occur whenever we want it to, just like evolution doesn't just happen. A lot of you seem to be asking what kind of information we could possibly learn from doing this and once again that's just first year college level thinking. I'm not an expert in this particular field, so I can't possibly make a list, but I can assure you that this does provide beneficial information in regards to animal psychology ("animal" being a really loose term) vs. Human psychology. Anyways, my point is that we can't just paint this in black and white, because there's no simple way to just make everything perfectly ethical given our natural progression towards being a space-faring civilization.

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