3. TIL during the Vietnam War over 800 murders or attempted murders of superior off...

TIL during the Vietnam War over 800 murders or attempted murders of superior officers by enlisted soldiers were investigated. The term 'fragging' was coined due to the popular use of fragmentation grenades to commit the murders.

Or you really think so little of their intelligence that you think after all this review, they could really be so poorly informed as to make the same mistake but worse so many times consecutively.

Political ideology is a powerful thing. Convincing people to abandon deeply-held beliefs is hard. That applies to politicians as well.

How would you put it then, because that is exactly the position you're advocating in the hypothetical.

Yeah, because you made the hypothetical where I can't just say no draft. I solve the problem in the real world by not having a draft. You disallowed that, which wouldn't happen in real life, and now in fantasyland I'm an asshole. Fuck that, I'm staying here.

You do realise a central tenant of 'democracy' is that the majority shouldn't get to dictate how the minority are treated right?

In certain situations, yes. Not in all situations. Sometimes you're outvoted and you get the short end of the stick.

Assuming for a moment that the minority was the people voting against the war. By your own standards you should be in favour of them not being afflicted by the warmongering of the majority.

There is no inalienable right to stop your country from going to war.

Yes actually. Because it's a vote for something that doesn't concern you.

It's the military. My military. Of course it concerns me.

No actually, the moral weight is real. Because while the situation is fake, you are still saying you'd support such a thing.

Yeah, but only because the situation is fake and ludicrous. If the world were topsy-turvy and upside-down I can say I'd do all types of horrible things and never have to prove a word of it. Let's stay out of cloud-cuckoo land.

Thing is though that america isn't the world police.

The US does have powerful international obligations.

Non-intervention, is not the same thing as wanton murder.

Casualties in a war you could have stopped are just as much lives as casualties in a war you were part of.

Iraq wasn't the only one.

Well what else are you talking about, Vietnam? Because that one was popular at the start, too.

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