TIL a group of well preserved wooden spears were unearthed at a German coal mine. They are between 380,000 and 400,000 years old, making them at least 75x older than the pyramids of Eygpt. These are the oldest wooden artifacts ever unearthed.

You are conflating codification with learning.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that once we learned language, it would have very quickly became refined basically to the point that it is today. I'm saying that no, we weren't grunting unorganized sounds with no order and logic 10,000 years ago. We had verbs, (probably) gendered nouns, tenses, everything that today we'd expect in a full language.

I'll say it again since it was an edit above: do you think the people who built this did it while grunting in proto-languages? That they hadn't "codified" their language?

And I wasn't being nitpicky to prove a point, your points have been hard to follow because you say one thing and mean another. When you say "Creation and refinement of language began some 5000-6000 years ago in earnest", you are quite literally saying languages began being created 6,000 years ago. That's what those words mean, and that's what I understood you to mean. Had you not awkwardly stated your point half of this argument we could have skipped. I now see you meant "Language standardization into a codified grammar and shared structure began in earnest 6,000 years ago", but that is not at all what you said.

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