TIL a woman was sentenced to life in prison for poisoning her child to death with antifreeze. She gave birth to a second child while in prison, who was given to foster care. But he became sick with the same symptoms, indicating a genetic metabolic disorder, not poisoning. She was later released.

Wouldn't prison reform solve a lot of your issues without murdering anyone?

No. I am only talking about mentally deranged people. People that as they have grown have killed their pets, have shown no empathy, terrorized their parents, and manipulated those around them.

For example, I don't agree that prison rape is necessarily a constant that can never change. If prisoners were better monitored, had access to adequate facilities (including medical and psychological treatment), and were given lesser sentences with a focus on rehabilitation, I believe the rate of prison rape could be lowered very significantly. Surely if we can stop rape and assault anywhere, it would be in a facility where all parties are closely monitored 24 hours a day. In my opinion, prison rape and assault is so common not because it's impossible to prevent, but because prison officials don't have the will or resources to stop it. That's something that can absolutely be remedied without killing anyone.

Again, no. Not all prison rape is committed by psychopaths, sociopaths and serial rapists. Some are caused by trauma and they are inflicting their trauma onto others- rehabilitation can help them. Psychopaths can not be rehabilitated. The psychology community recognizes this. They are highly intelligent, adaptable and manipulative. If there is a chance at parole, the likelihood of them getting parole is high because they are master manipulators. I don't know if this makes sense to you at all. It probably wouldn't have for me- again, I used to think people were good and love would solve most problems, especially with humans. I know this now, to be untrue. Objectively. If you do more research in sociopaths and psychopaths it might open your eyes to how terrifying and evil they are. I am healed and recovered from what occured, but it's something I never fully grasped and has totally changed my view on self-defense, home-defense, etc. This isn't out of a 'still-fearful mentality' but of a realistic, 'oh, this is how the world works' outlook.

there are reforms that could make isolating dangerous people from the general prison population more humane than is currently the case.

There are? I wasn't aware of this? Again, I think these psychopaths and sociopaths that have an affinity for rape and murder, should not have interactions with other people and if making it 'humane' involves interactions with other people- I think it's leaving more potential victims in their wake.

other than satisfying a wish for vengeance.

No. It's about saving people's mental or physical lives even though that number can not be tangible or calculated, but does not mean lives potentially saved should be ignored.

Killing him does not in fact trade one life for 300

It can trade one for 300 more.

unless you want us to preemptively murder people we think are going to become serial killers

Nope. That's not okay. Though we are developing science on the brain functions of serial killers that can help us prosecute more accurately.

How many of Ted Bundy's victims were saved by executing him after they were dead

Your question is rhetorical. But the answer is if he killed 100 women and girls by the time he was 41, would mean that we can extrapolate we can save 8.2 victims in 20 years.

For one thing, you haven't explained how we could be 100% fully certain that the people you judge to be beyond rehabilition and untreatable actually are guilty of the crimes they are accused of

There are cases like Ted Bundy's. It would be based off of individual circumstances, and being evaluated by a psychologist.

and will be a perpetual danger even while incarcerated in all cases

I think it would be someone who hasn't interacted with a psychopath, or been close enough to witness their manipulation, but they do endanger others. Again, the fact that can manipulate trained therapists is telling of their ability.

I think it's a very naive view to think that people can't be evil. I used to think that, and it wasn't until I understood that sometimes fighting back and hurting someone else to make sure you don't get assaulted and traumatized IS the right answer, I would have never conceded with any of my current theories before these interactions and experiences.

I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with someone you believe deserves to die, I really am

And regarding the psychopath I am regarding, if somehow he doesn't rape or abuse others again, then he should very well continue living his life. Maybe the run in that my reporting caused, scared the shit out of him and made him change his ways. I don't have contact with him so I won't know. But I have serious doubts about his ability to NOT do this again, and think that if he does- he should be given the death sentence.

Though, I do NOT think it should be a one time thing. I think it should be multiple allegations with multiple victims to lower the statistics of false positives (DNA rape kits that are processed with the same DNA should be investigated and prosecuted).

I argue that we have an obligation to society to participate and interact for the health of others at large. That will look different for everyone, some that will be freedom, for others, security. If there are individuals that are incapable of doing this, how many measures should we take for society at large to protect them when they don't care about society at large? If they have shown in affinity for death, torture, rape, abuse and manipulation from a young age, and continue to do so as they age, why should we keep them alive when they will not be able to interact with society anyway? I argue for security in this instance, and believe 1. it's the most humane since they have no chance of recovery with our current options and 2. you are potentially saving large groups of people from interacting and being abused by them.

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