Trying to understand

But I don't really understand, from everything I've seen on the 'red pill' subreddit, how a woman would choose to align with them. So any insight would be appreciated.


People, not just men, not just women, will use the strategy designed to optimize the options they have to pursue what they want.

Let's try this from the male side.

A low SMV male with bad career options is going to likely want commitment and a monogamous relationship. This is his best chance to have regular sex.

A high SMV male with great career options is going to likely not want commitment and monogamy, if he doesn't want kids. This is his best chance to have regular sex.

The few men with true "natural abundance" don't need TRP for sex. They can get sex all day long with attractive women. On the flip side, many elements in the "manosphere" including TRP call TRPW a haven for "TradCon" i.e. Traditional Conservative viewpoints on male/female relationships. I.E. monogamous marriage, pursuit of children, husband is breadwinner, wife is homemaker/part time worker.

A woman with true "natural abundance" ( think of a young woman who looks like Charlize Theron) does not need TradCon. She can say she follows any strategy and still get what she wants ( Commitment from very high value/high SMV men, at will)

What happens is a "relative spike" in SMV. Low SMV people, against a social baseline, are trying to get to average SMV, this is probably the bulk of TRP and TRPW communities. It's not pleasant to hear, but you adjust your strategy for a reason. The reason usually being natural methodology isn't working. There was a thread here a few weeks ago called "Don't Be/Get Fat" ( I didn't start it....don't look at me...) If a woman just is height / weight proportionate in America as an adult, her SMV goes up, since the relative contrast is that so many women are so overweight. This is also why TRP says men should lift weights. To take advantage of the contrast that most men have horrible physiques.

It is the irony of people operating in one tier, trying to get into the other more exclusive and more option laden tier.

I would wager most women, and women here, would not vibe with core TRP ( in the sidebar, not the random posts going up, point to note, if you want to see core TRP, look at the sidebar material. Anyone can start a post. That's not a full reflection of each and every person there...) Women typically want commitment. The problem is that commitment in the Western world is enforced, even if the woman pulls her half of the "equation" out.

Am I going to say it? Yes, I am going to say it.

I have found on this subreddit, I've learned something new, and sadly, something pretty grim, to my perspective. I can say all day, point by point, why men think as they do, feel as they do, operate as they do, but if the woman in front of me doesn't like it, it doesn't make her feel good, then she's likely to dismiss it all outright. In one thread, another woman replied, if you act like "this" ( i.e. the topic in that thread) then men just won't trust you. Then the lightbulb went on for me. Asking for empathy and understanding isn't likely to work. Saying you won't get what you want if you do X or Y or Z, will tend to work.

Women will align to the best strategy that gives them the most options to what they want. If the hottest and most desirable men for commitment all shifted to want non TradCon tendencies, then women would shift that way. It's not much different than during football season, women will line up, put on jerseys and go to sports bars and find some basic football lingo to pretend to like football, so she can seem cool and hip and vibe and attract high value men there. Again, it's a strategy, if she looked like young Charlize Theron, she could say she hated football, threw a rock in the TV, killed off the game, and men would literally lick her feet clean all the way to the parking lot.

I can assure you, if all the Leo DiCaprios, Channing Tatums, George Clooneys or whatever is the high value cup of tea out for women said they were hard Red Pill, you'd see very very very few women saying , "No, no, don't date a TRP man" The reason it's easy to say don't date a TRP man is most are low SMV guys trying to use strategy to get to at least average SMV. Or better. Guys most women don't want anyway.

TRP - Do what you want TRPW - Do what gets you what you want

The core difference derives that you have a group of men who see women as all the SAME. Of course this offend women. There is no special, no attention, no validation, if you are just "one kiss in a basket of kisses" (I'm quoting Mad Men here and Peggy Olson)

While as women see a small range of men, out of the one they find attractive ( the ones they don't find attractive? The 85-90 percent? They don't exist) But operationally will see them as DIFFERENT.

OP, what you might not have considered is IMHO, a woman's "alignment" is not static. If it was, the human race would have died off long ago. The non static nature is why nearly all men, even Blue Pill ones over time, progressively have no trust in any woman near them.

TRPW, IMHO, is not about changing one's lifestyle. If that was the case, the focus would be on self improvement even if there was a zero return on the commitment/relationship spectrum. But that's not the case. If a woman doesn't get the commitment she wants, she sees the effort as a failure. Effort to failure is a byproduct of using strategy, not changing an actual lifestyle.

But no one wants to see it raw as strategy. Or call it that. Because it makes the relationship in place one of pure transaction. But then again, if you ask me, most relationships are transactional. On both sides. But no one wants to look at it that way. It doesn't feel good. It doesn't look good. It's hard to see one's motives outside of a complete utility spectrum otherwise.

There is a true and gutting lack of empathy on BOTH SIDES. Once I see a lack of empathy, I see both non Captain material and non First Mate material in abundance. If you ask me, OP, you shouldn't be tracking posts, but slivers of actual rare empathy out there. It's usually the indicator that someone is actually willing to be a partner instead of a silent competitor.

Align with empathy. Or every relationship one touches is doomed from the start.

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