Waffle triggered at cop

If you don't see how the cop functions as a jury in SoE (by evaluating evidence and determining guilt and issuing a criminal conviction, as opposed to gathering evidence for a grand jury investigation), even with the presence of an alternative venue and procedure in the form of a non-jury trial, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. And let's be clear: the fact that the police can adjust sentence length and fine amount are evidence in support of my interpretation. The trials that have happened thus far are a bizarre version of appellate trials where folks can challenge the facts of a case as well as its procedural or legal grounds. That illustrates how messed up the system is.

In any event, "questioning" as far as Miranda is concerned is not identical to an interrogation. Any statement made by a police officer that can be reasonably construed as an attempt to elicit information from a suspect would count. Eli clearly made such statements. Whether they're in response to squirt doesn't matter, since Eli had already denied him access to his attorney. But that's not the only thing that happened here. Eli denied Squirt access to his attorney under the pretext of booking him, which can be reasonably understood as a means of coercion. So, if my interpretation of the legal system is correct, and if what Eli does in SoE is a combination of what a police officer and a jury do in the American judicial system, then any questions he asks Squirt after denying him access to his lawyer are Miranda violations by definition. But if your interpretation is correct, and the cops are only cops, then why mirandize folks at all? By those standards the testimony of a criminal in SoE will never matter at trial anyway.

The problem here doesn't arise from Eli speaking to Squirt per se, but from him questioning Squirt after denying him access to his attorney.

Fwiw, it's pretty frustrating to be routinely told that I'm "missing the point," "confused," and "don't realize" things over the course of a conversation, when it's clear that we disagree on things rather than that I can't understand them. It's a habit I would suggest that you break.

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