- I did say "almost always lose." Bill Clinton was the one moderate who won.
You just conveniently forgot to mention him.
- Obama still won.
As Obama, not Beta version Bernie Sanders.
- At the time, the ACA WAS a progressive plan compared to what we had. Being a progressive in 2008 was different compared to now.
Not according to the socialists who keep calling it a Republican plan and Obama a sellout.
- He literally called himself a progressive at the time, this isn't me trying to claim his victory as out own.
He still does consider himself progressive and yet progressives call him a neoliberal moderate centrist. Seems you pick and choose when his words matter.
And he won reelection against Mitt Romney, a moderate Republican, proving that this works both ways.
Mitt won election over much more extremist Republicans, like Ron Paul, so clearly not.
- Moderates can certainly win smaller elections, which is why I specifically said presidential elections.
Moderates are the only ones who win smaller elections against Republicans.
- And then Hillary lost to Trump because he was a symbol of change to a lot of people, while Clinton was championing the status-quo.
That's not why the data says; evidence says racial resentment was the core driving factor of his support, not "change" from a man who promised to repeal the ACA, among other things.
And again, bend lost to Hillary even though he promised radical change.