What exactly is the end game for red-pillers,mgtow, mra, etc?

For a blue-pill guy turned red, the end-game would be:

  1. Making your own decisions
  2. Keeping your own money
  3. Keeping more of your time
  4. Honing your craft
  5. Improving your health
  6. Traveling more.
  7. Taking care of your kids. (if you had any with a woman who left because she got bored and wanted 6'2" Chad from sales.)
  8. Not being at the whim of a woman who wants to reshape your identity.
  9. Not being a performance monkey just to get pussy.

RP is the self-improvement aisle of modern relationships for men. No one teaches men how to avoid the pitfalls of relationships with women. Men learn that by flailing around and simping. Male attention is fuel for women. RP teaches men to use that fuel more wisely.

The only argument women have against RP/mgtow is "you'll die alone" and not having someone to wipe your ass when you get old. But finding a modern young woman who unconditionally cares about a man is a thing of the past. That's no longer a selling point. It's always about what he can provide for her and how he makes her feel. Never the other way around. Plus a man can have companionship with his friends, family, and short term love affairs. *And* you can save your money more wisely to secure a more comfortable retirement, since you don't have to use it all up to impress women.

how do you expect any self-respecting woman to be okay with that?

The whole point of RP is for men to conduct themselves in such a way that women have to be ok with *their* way of life. Not the other way around. Your statement exudes the entitlement women have that the man must always impress the woman.

there are no good results being produced here.

RP is the equivalent of women saying "I don't need no man". It was bound to happen. Women are getting good results being career focused, rising the ranks into soft-skill management, making more money, and postponing children until it's almost too late, even using sperm donors. Men who switch to RP are also getting good results by my points listed above.

Slowly men are realizing that it's a negative sum game to focus so much on women. Women are nice to interact with in moderation. The focus is the problem.

However, simping and thirst hormones are hard drugs to quit. So RP will remain a minority forever, IMO. It's easier for a woman to be a man-hating feminist than it is for a man to go fully his own way because men will always be tempted by the promise of consistent sex.

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