I wasn't watching the debates in any sort of chronological order, I didn't even know there was this much history to destiny when I started watching so I wasn't aware of any of the drama. One of the first videos I was the watched the circlejerk video he did with theryn or contra, I don't remember exactly but there destiny mentioned that he and andy have had a falling out, at that point I didn't even know about the JF sex predator stuff. I jumped around a bit and watched the debates destiny had with andy last december and the impression I got was that andy was coming around and he was begining to understand and by the end of the year he seemed extremely close to leaving all of the skeptic community behind and having a real change. But then something apparently happened in early January and completely turned on dime. Like wtf??? was any of that "introspection" and "growth" even real? how do you forget everything you learned so fast or was it just an act so he could make a triumphant comeback to the skeptic community and glean a little more publicity off of it? It was super disappointing for me maybe not as much for people who knew about him but I didn't think that deep down he was actually a scumbag.