Sounds like we're talking about 2 different things. Yes I have been someone who some described as "TOO Nice". I didn't intend to make women feel bad about themselves, but I did. I didn't intend to try to manipulate women, but that's what I learned from my family, and that's what I did do. I didn't understand what I was doing. I needed guidance from a woman in her 20s. Instead, I got rejection and plenty of cold silence. The point I was trying to make was this process shaped a guy like me into a member of society who does not appreciate women as much as I should. That's what cold silence does to people. And what of the young guys of today who are "too nice". Are they conditioned to only want Tinder and nothing more? I think so