What will be the ultimate outcome of Muslim immigration into Europe, especially considering the vastly higher birthrate among European Muslims compared to non-Muslims?

No.

Christianity has always been able to compromise, to at least some degree. Yes, there have been the Crusades, and the Inquisition, and the murder of the indigenous, and Kali knows what else; but the Christians have one thing going for them that Islam will never have.

Christianity is able and willing to assimilate earlier/other faiths and simply put their own deities' names on those of other religions. I worship Kali Ma, which I'm only mentioning for the sake of this post, to make a point. Said point being, that if I hypothetically converted to Catholicism, then there would be an implicit/unspoken understanding that I could pay homage openly to Mary while in church, (which was probably why the cult of Mary became prominent anyway, as a means of accomodating those who wanted a Goddess, such as those who worshipped Artemis at Ephesus, for example) but would then come home and do Kali puja in private/secret. As long as I didn't make a noise about it, then I probably could have got away with that in the Middle Ages as well; not just today.

Islam, on the other hand, does not allow the survival of conquered faiths, in any form; at least that I know of. If you get caught practicing another (non-Semitic/"of the Book") religion while claiming openly to be a Muslim in an Islamic majority country, you will probably end up dead.

At its' core, (Sunni, at least) Islam will die fighting. It will not bend, it will not yield, and it will not reform. Yes, I know about the millions of "good Muslims;" the supposedly silent majority. I do not care about them, because they don't really do anything. They do not genuinely oppose the fanatics, and they can not; because the fanatics are right when they say that they, and not the moderates, truly represent the heart and soul of Islam.

If you follow the sunnah, then you are a fanatic. You are a terrorist. You must be; you have no choice. This is because Mohammad was a fanatic and a terrorist himself, which means that there is no way to avoid being one, while still following his example. Muslims do not like admitting this, but the reality is that to be a moderate Muslim, is not to be a Muslim at all.

This is also why Islam is irredeemably broken, at its' foundation, in a way that Christianity (and in fact, all of the other great religions) is not. Islam has no positive role model. Christianity had Jesus Christ. Yes, the conquistadors and the Jesuits and the paedophile priests still exist; but the point is that in their case, someone can at least point to the fact that Christ offered a better example, and reprimand those people for not following it.

Islam is different. As a (Sunni, at least) Muslim, if you are non-violent, then you are an infidel. If you are compassionate, then you are an infidel. If you exhibit tolerance or any form of positive morality in general, then you are an infidel. This is because Mohammad was a murderer and a conqueror, and if you are not those things yourself, then you are not following his example.

This is what people do not understand. In Islam, unethical behaviour is not the exception to an otherwise positive rule. In Islam, unethical behaviour is the rule; at least to the extent that following Mohammad's own example is concerned, because he himself was unethical.

There may, now that I think of it, be some hope for Shia (and particularly Sufi) Islam to survive in some form; but only if they are able to acknowledge the fact that the Prophet himself was an immoral and violent man, and as an example, he should therefore be abandoned. The strongest chance of this is with Sufism, because the Sufis are mystics, and they therefore have their own, direct, empirical experience of the love of God. They therefore know the divine nature for themselves, and they know from that that imperial violence is wrong.

For the Wahhabists and most other Sunnis, however, I don't think that could ever happen. They are ruled only by the Book, and their own love of violence; and the Book tells them that violence is perfectly fine.

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