yeah you know let people decide for their children on a case by case basis every person and situation is different. Ive seen so many teens leave the house when they are 18 and go haywire because their parents believed in "discipline" and made mountains out of mole hills. kids with a little slack have already have had a taste of freedom and dont drown in it when you cut them loose. in the situation listed why should the dad care? doesnt sound like any harm came from it. ive seen the results of overbearing parents alot. ive watched way to many kids drown in freedom when they get to college or simply out of the house. then the kids with relaxed parents they are wll adjusted already they could only gets sips of freedom and learned to handle it they probably fucked up a few times and learned how to get out of it with their parents help thus making them more competent at handling adulthood. hell i look at my own family and see it.my siblings who lived with my dad and his gung ho military discipline are failures and went wild when cut loose. while my mom was layed but and the three of us where already adjusted and no issues with freedom. hell she only had a few rules dont fuck up my life, dont fuck up anyone elses life, and come to her or my step dad for anything if we go to them before something goes wrong no real punishment. I went to a party got drunk my ride got drunk i called her got a ride home some Gatorade and a good breakfast when we woke up on one condition we recapped everything that happened that night for her. all she said is next time tell her if im going to a party. i always did and she would always point out the negatives of going and said be safe. now if it started to impact me negatively she would step in. thats called parenting good parenting.