Who has had a bigger impact in sports entertainment: CM Punk, the greatest of all time or Brock Lesnar, the conqueror and the one in 21-1?

All of the Japanese wrestlers you mentioned couldn't hold a candle to Kurt Angle with the exception of Misawa.

Hahahaha oh my god are you serious right now? Like I get the average /sc/ user still buys the "GOLD MEDALS OMG!" shite but wow, Tenryu couldn't hold a candle to Angle? Tenryu's 80's, 90's and 2000's all individually dwarf and shatter Angle's entire career. Hashimoto is one of the best big match workers of all time. Kawada was imo better than Misawa and started to be great earlier (And match with Tenryu against Gordy and Hansen came while Misawa was still not all that good). Fujiwara was amazing for years and years, and one of the biggest influences on shoot style wrestling which led to Japanese MMA.

If you don't watch puro fine, but to say fucking Genichiro Tenryu can't hold a candle to Kurt Angle is just laughable.

What's wtf about Austin not being good at wrestling? I watched his entire run, and if you compare him to Daniel Bryan, Nigel McGuiness or Steamboat, then he looks like shit.

So by that definition like, 60 people are good at wrestling. I don't think he was ever at the level of those three but to say he wasn't good at all is just ignorant.

Savage's wrestling was mediocre. I never saw amazing feats of technical ability from him

He could work face or heel. He could make any crowd hate him or adore him in seconds. In 1990 in his match vs Tenryu he strolled in there and in seconds through just the way he treated his opponent got more heat than Punk can get without the straight edge thing. He's had an insane number of classic matches, going back to the mid/early-80's in ICW and Memphis pretty much right up until the 90's. He wasn't a hold for hold guy but it seems ridiculous to hold that against him - it simply wasn't his style.

Flair was good at ring psychology and charisma and mic work, but his wrestling was pitiful.

Are you a troll? His story telling and ability to work a crowd was masterful. He was wrestling multiple 60 minute matches a week to an insanely high standard against nobodies. Have you watched the Steamboat matches? The Vader match at Starcade? Race in a cage? His all-japan stuff?

He also had no impact on the business

RIC FLAIR HAD NO IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS
RIC FLAIR HAD NO IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS
RIC FLAIR HAD NO IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS
RIC FLAIR HAD NO IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS
RIC FLAIR HAD NO IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS
RIC FLAIR HAD NO IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Angle is easily in the top 3 wrestlers.

Angle, like you seemingly, didn't understand wrestling beyond big moves. Despite his gimmick he never mat wrestled well, he was just a generic WWE style guy who did some suplexes and got hyped up as legitimate. He spammed the germans, spammed ankle locks, and pretty much just hit moves with no rhyme or reason whatsoever. Despite his gimmick being that he was this great mat wrestler he never showed it. With most GOAT contenders when you list their best matches you'll have some where they've pulled a guy to a match above that persons level. When has Angle ever done that? His best matches were against guys who reeled him in and stopped him doing that stupid bullshit.

But yeah, Flair having no impact on the business is the dumbest shit I've heard all day.

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