Without referencing the Bible, how do we know the Bible is the word of God?

I noticed she spent a great time putting forth the idea that an omniscient, omnipotent God can or cannot do something.

But you have yet to define omniscient or omnipotence.

This is something I mentioned earlier. By not giving a definition of these two words, part of the problem is we're not agreeing on what we're talking about. You've drawn conclusions based on what you think these words mean.

I don't see this as any different than me saying epsilon plus epsilon equals a zygote.

Until I've defined my terms, how can you possibly agree or disagree with my conclusion? And the truth is you can't agree or disagree because you don't understand what I'm saying.

As for the term Omni benevolent... I reject this term. Not only is it a modern day creation. But it is so seeped and subjectivity, that it should be rejected out of hand.

If there is a God, there's no way that people have Sodom and Gomorrah think that God was all loving. And as the masses were drowning outside of the ark, I don't think one of them was thinking, God must really love me.

By the way, all of these non-existent things that have a form of existence, that is separate from the material world, have you actually ever considered how important they are to our life's experience?

When it comes to the stuff of the universe, we get what we get. When it comes to our physical bodies. With its level of intelligence. With where it's born. With the circumstances and the situations they are born into and the time period and the place on the planet. Even given who are parents were and who their parents were and so forth... We don't get a choice.

But everything that matters the most in life, is everything that is not material. Assuming that we have our creature comforts and its needs met. In other words, once our bellies are full, and we don't have to worry about imminent threats to life and limb, everything that really matters in our life experience, is everything that only exists within our mind. All of that non-material stuff that we've now mentioned.

I have one huge desire that has nothing to do with my body's desire to make sure that it does not die. And that desire is something I State this way...

I desire to experience the freedom to cause and create the experience of love, joy and peace for others and myself.

As long as I get to fulfill on this desire, I have determined that my life is worth living.

I'm also fortunate in that I learned that this was the focus of my intentions in life back 25 years ago. It not only propelled me forward enabling me to accomplish some of the things I really wanted to accomplish, but it also prepared me for the more difficult times in life. Like when I became disabled 4 years ago.

I now sit in a chair 24 hours a day. And not a bed because I can't lie down in the bed without dying. I do not telling you this for any kind of sympathy. It's not my intention at all.

My point is, that because I know that my focus is on experiencing the freedom to cause and create something, even though my ability to cause and create things has been limited, you can't keep me from doing it. My wife knows that the day I cannot communicate with her, is the day she can unplug me. Cuz as long as I have breath, I have the opportunity to experience the freedom to cause and create something worthwhile.

And everything in that sentence, has nothing to do with material things. Of course we all use material things because that's part of the function of maintaining a body that requires material things to continue on. But the material stuff simply maintains our bodies existence. And mere survival is not enough.

If mirror survival was enough, then we could put people in human zoos and simply make sure they had enough food, water temperature control health benefits and opportunities to have sex. And they should be absolutely thrilled with their existence. But we both know that's not the case.

Between you me and the wall over here, I think that there's a huge benefit and believing that there is an ideal that goes beyond just wanting to survive. And that ideal could be described as a god. But I don't think it has to be.

If I could get everybody on the planet to stop focusing on mirror survival instincts, and all the things that those survival instincts allow for, and instead focus on experiencing the freedom to cause and create wonderful things for ourselves and others, I think the world would be a better place.

It's one of the reasons why I'm not offended that you don't believe in God. Because everybody I've ever met, desires to experience the freedom to cause and create wonderful things for others in themselves.

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