Why the Empire lost the Battle of Endor

Ok, I am going to re write my thoughts into a more comprehensible essay. Firstly, I will address what you have listed as imperial disadvantages that I believe are not truly disadvantageous in this particular situation. You mention three main points, the susceptibility of storm troopers to blunt force trauma, weak points in their armor, and lastly the bright white color scheme of their armor. A rebuttal for the blunt force trauma, would be that the ewoks would not have sufficient means to inflict the necessary force to cause this trauma. Case in point, many organizations have realistic medieval battle tournaments where they wear full plate armor, use real steel swords and spears, and essentially go ham and beat the living crap out of each other. If you take the time to watch any videos of these tournaments you will notice that a full grown athletic man cannot generate the force needed to cause any injury whatsoever to another full grown man wearing a full suit of armor. Also, their armor has no padding, and I would wager the storm trooper armor did, further negating any damage they may take from blunt force, but all of this is beside the point. The point is that a 30-40 pound ewok, even if deceptively strong, would not be able to cause any real damage to an armored stormtrooper with blunt weapons. They would need a war hammer, which weighs more than they do, to cause this kind of damage. Now having said that, you raise a valid point about the weak points in the stormtrooper’s armor, but again this would also amount to moot, and the answer lies in the quality of the ewok weapons. Upon inspection, it is revealed that the ewoks are using pre-bronze age ultra primitive weapons, made with sticks and sharpened rocks, fastened to the ends of the sticks with simple twine. Also in the ewoks arsenal are crude clubs and crude bows and arrows. These spears would provide little in the way of durability, and I think it is perfectly safe to assume that the tips fell off with regularity as the met the stormtroooper’s armor. So in essence, our brave little ewoks need to hit the weak spots without missing or they run the risk of breaking their weapons. Anyone who has ever had a ‘swordfight’ with sticks as a child knows how durable of weapons they make. Also, one must bear in mind that the bows used by the ewoks were very short, and likely had an easy draw weight. This would lead to arrows with almost no stopping power, even against unarmored troops, taken in account the quality of the arrows in combination. The unarmored imperial troops would have a bad day if they got hit, but the stormtroopers would shrug them off with a very very small percentage taking actual damage. The bright white of the stormtrooper armor would make them easy targets, yes, but the ewoks need to close in for a melee makes them easier targets. Whatever chance the ewoks have in this battle, it is at close range, since blaster are many magnitudes more effective at any sort of range than rocks or primitive bows. The blasters have a superior range, and damage. This point really doesn’t need to be explained much further, without closing in the ewoks will get mowed down. So at melee range, does it really matter the color of the armor? Some further rebuttals: The rebels would play a rather insignificant role in the actual battle. Their attack relied on a stealth infiltration which failed. The lambda class shuttle they came in has capacity for 20+ soldiers. 20+ That’s it. That is sort of arbitrary, but it’s safe to assume if they packed in there like Mexicans than at the ABSOLUTE MOST 60 elite rebel troops. That’s 60 against an entire legion of stormtroopers, which is 9,813 soldiers. They didn’t fight them all at once, but they did walk right into an ambush, which would have put them at a significant disadvantage despite their camouflage and arguably better combat effectiveness. Now to address the actual battle. The imperial troops ran amuck at the start of the battle, and the initial large wave of ewoks seems to have effectively scrambled the imperial forces, who pursue them in a frenzy. The rebels take the bunker. This was the single greatest tactical flaw of the whole battle. The imperials should have taken a defensive stance, and it would have been over and the rebellion crushed and Luke Skywalker would either be dead or Darth Luke. However, the imperials charge. Though we are shown rebel propaganda shots, it is beyond reasonable to assume the ewoks got their asses kicked pretty badly. The stormtroopers would still, despite running after the ewoks, maintain some small unit discipline. A squad of 8 or 9 stormtroopers would act cohesively even if the general mass of squads didn’t. Also stormtroopers would prove superior in hand to hand fighting, due to the ewoks inability to penetrate the stormtroopers armor. However strong an ewok might be, he has short arms, even with a spear his reach is at best equal to a grown human man. They would not be able to generate enough momentum with their limited body mechanics to cause any significant casualties, and would generally get slaughtered unless they can get the stormtroopers from behind, in which case they would likely still get slaughtered, just not as bad. The biggest point to make here is that the AT-STs went largely unanswered besides the few that fell to the log traps. I will buy that those traps would be effective, but I question the convenience of them. Even still, a few AT-STs go down, but as you said, the rest kill with impunity. The rebels neglected to bring ANY anti armor capabilities with them, and so in essence they have absolutely no way to truly win. The second biggest mistake the empire made this day, was an idiotic AT-ST captain opened the hatch. As strong as chewie is, he could not have pulled a locked hatch open with his bare hands. Had they just ignored the ewoks on the roof, the rebels would have been crushed. So chewie blasts a couple AT-STs and turns it on the imperials, inflicting some serious damage. Where in the F is the rest of the imperial legion? Where is that AT-AT we saw earlier when Luke met Vader? I call BS here. The empire has a sophisticated command and control infrastructure, and one of the stormtroopers would have called in a rouge walker and they wouldn’t have bought the trap that Solo lured them into. It worked because George Lucas. If we are doing a realistic analysis, there is not a chance they would fall for that crap. Your conclusion is rather apt, the Ewoks didn’t win, but sheer luck and heroics on the part of Han and Leia is what won. The abstract of this battle, to me, is the exaggeration of it. Lucas wanted a battle where a technologically inferior foe beats the advanced one. This has happened in history, but we must use context when viewing these examples. There is absolutely no where in history where the technology gap has been more vast as the battle of Endor. The Vietcong were inferior, but they still had guns and explosives. The closest example I can think of would be the British defeat at Isandlwana. Here a technologically superior British force makes many of the same mistakes the Empire made on Endor. They split their forces, and underestimated their enemy. 1,300 british casualties were the result, next to about 3 or 4,000 zulu casualties, of a total of 20,000. What needs to be remembered here, as this is the quintessential unadvanced underdog story. The Zulu’s were excellent warriors of their own right. They were strong, in peak physical condition, with weapons that were actually superior in a melee compared to a rifle and bayonet. The Brits only had breech loading rifles and two artillery pieces. They were simply overran. For context, later that day at Rorke’s Drift, 139 British soldiers held their ground against 4,000 Zulus and won. They were outnumbered 40 to 1, yet made the Zulus pay 20 men for every wounded British soldier. The disparity would have been even higher on Endor, since the empire is superior to the Brits and the Ewoks are inferior to Zulus. The odds could have been as high as 50 ewoks killed for every stormtrooper. That seems perfectly realistic to me. In closing, the Rebels won because Lucas needed them to, for the sake of the story. I believe if he would have kept with his original idea and had Endor inhabited with wookies, gave more of them blasters and maybe an anti tank gun, than this battle would not be a constant point of contention among fans, even 20+ years after the fact. His use of cute and cuddly teddy bears made this one hard to swallow, and can only be reconciled by ascribing to our rebel friends the highest degree of luck imaginable. Also the scene with the ewok on a speeder bike was dumb. And the shot of the shield generator exploding is whack. It would have killed everyone, Han, Leia, R2, the stormtroopers, and the damned Ewoks. Have a good day.

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