‎Ja'far as-Ṣādiq: “Allāh is free from the one who disassociates from Abū Bakr and 'Umar, Allāh be pleased with them both.” ‎ ‎● [فضائل الصحابة لأحمد ١٤٣]

Honestly, this is an absolutely extraordinary misreading of my post, that paints yourself as some sort of heroic shirk-fighter and me as some sort of tribalist individual seeking to contain shirk-y ideas, when I quite clearly said I may or may not subscribe to them. Beyond that, I don't actually care what you believe, you should feel free to believe whatever it is you want to. I've profusely apologized for my own bad manners in the past, it seems you are the one with negative intentions, that's on a crusade now, not me.

I'm not going to piece by piece respond to this ridiculous, egotistical tirade, that is neither a civil reading of what I'm saying, or one with any intentions of honesty behind it. But I will briefly attempt to re-iterate the basics of what I'm saying, so others reading this can understand them.

your own views on Shi'ism repeatedly disavow key beliefs of mainstream Shi'a thought

that simply isn't the way in which the majority of Shias understand their religion, and so I feel you should clarify that your own views are not representative of the majority of Shias.

No you don't. You frequently assume the worst of the intentions of people because you got offended regarding your own views and proceed to attack them. Actually, this has very little to do with my own views, which you're not actually aware of

You are essentially saying, this is our tribe and this is what the majority think. It doesn't matter whether you agree whether it's right or wrong, either lie about your beliefs and defend it or shut up and fall in line. that simply isn't the way in which the majority of Shias understand their religion, and so I feel you should clarify that your own views are not representative of the majority of Shias.

But if your goal is to somehow convince me that I should erase my views and only espouse approved mainstream twelver views or as to not rock the boat, let me spare you the effort. It's not happening. I will express my own views and will continue to do so.

Please do not think I am so concerned with what you as an individual think.

I've never said you're not Muslim or you're not Shia for not believing in la'nat or some other theological concept. But when somebody says Shias are not Muslim for holding this belief, and you say I don't hold this belief, and to an extent abandon the belief itself, you tacitly support that position.

What I was trying to get at is you are essentially ex-communicating the vast majority of Shia by saying this--that's fine, and if you think you understand these beliefs well, and still disavow them you should feel free. Absolutely. But then you should at least clarify that

that simply isn't the way in which the majority of Shias understand their religion, and so I feel you should clarify that your own views are not representative of the majority of Shias.

That's all I ever asked. Goodbye.

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