I regret bringing RAM into this because it was a minor aspect of a bigger point and now you're harping on that comparison. My original point was that the main criticism of AVD that's now seeping over Woman is that Justice has lost a lot of allure since Cross because they've failed to innovate in an interesting way on the scale that the first album did. Whether by design or by mistake Cross was a classic album that propelled the genre into a direction that we're still seeing big ripples of today, while AVD more or less existed in a bubble. If you can appreciate that, that's great because I do too, but Cross set a maybe unfair expectation that Justice would continue to be pioneers in electronic music. Instead, at the risk of beating a dead horse, they went down a self-indulgent route, and to answer your question about how I'm defining that term, it's just the standard definition: excessive or unrestrained gratification of one's own appetites, desires, or whims. For better and worse, Cross created a massive wave; AVD was more or less inconsequential, and I suspect Woman will be received similarly.

And as much as I don't want to keep talking about RAM, the fact that you equate it to a failed Discovery II kind of blows my mind with the level of ignorance behind that statement. I don't even particularly like RAM, but to reduce it to a crappy sequel, and to continue to insist that it's a "straight disco record," I mean really? The only difference between RAM and Discovery is that they removed microsampling and digital instruments? That's like saying the only difference between earth and the moon is that the moon doesn't have water.