Why a certain Crypter was right and Chaldea was wrong

There is nothing to prove for you were giving your opinion of righteous. Here's the actual definition : "morally right or justifiable.", defending one's home is morally right and justifiable.

That depends on the circumstances. In the context of the Lostbelt saga it is not.

This is silly, you measure the worth of each world by the amount of happiness, very reductive.

Calling it reductive does not prove it wrong.

And assuming LB Greeks are 100% happy (save for a couple), Atlantis and Mount Olympus population doesn't compare to PHH, several millions to several billions, do you have data on the ratio of happiness/suffering of those billions? You don't, thus you can't even measure the worth of each world according to your standard.

You are ignoring the fact that the population of Kirschtaria's world would eventually grow.

And you still consider yourself as arbiter of whether people have right to live.

No, I do not. No one deserves to live more than anyone else. It's just that it would be better for one world to survive instead of the others due to its future being the best for its inhabitants.

You have condemned EVERY living person in PHH because a percentage of them are suffering, just so another set of people can live better.

That is the fault of the situation. PHH having to be erased is unfortunate. I never claimed otherwise.

Selfish : (of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

Wodime is a person, not a robot. He act because within him he has personal desire that would make him happy. Accomplishing his goal of an ideal humanity will make him happy. And so Wodime is concerned of his own happiness, which is absolutely natural. But his goal has the price tag of sacrificing PHH world.

If he was only concerned with finding fulfillment he would not have decided to go on a jorney to create a world which benefits others more than himself.

If Wodime is not selfish, that he has no desire, then he will simply do nothing, for he has no motivation to do anything, and this is patently untrue.

It seems that the concept of selflessness is completely absent from your understanding of the world.

Yes he is.

Again, you seem to have no idea what being selfless means and are confusing it with being selfish and seeking fulfillment for some reason.

Yes he is gambling; he lost to Chaldea, he is not infallible. Even before that he effectively died to the bombing in the beginning of FGO, he is not infallible. Even when we saw a flashback of his life where he almost lost his life due to his father, he is not infallible.

Why does Kirschtaria have to be infallible in order for his plan to be right?

According to your absurd logic no human could ever make a right choice because no human is infallible. But that is not how things work.

Spoken like a true dictator, you would make Staline proud.

You cannot even spell his name right yet here you are acting like an expert on him and going as far as comparing myself to him.

Here's the thing:

Stalin's actions did not make anything better but only caused unnecessary suffering.

Kirschtaria's actions would have made an ideal world and prevented unnecessary suffering.

You cannot compare them.

Artists use suffering, often their own, to make art.

That does not justify the continuation of all suffering in PHH.

Athletes feeling accomplished enduring pain to achieve their peak physical condition.

Neither does that.

Or something simpler, the body use pain as means to tell the person there is something wrong with the body.

This does not matter in a world without illness.

Suffering has many uses besides just plain pain.

That is not a reason to continue all kinds of suffering happening in PHH.

Suffering is part of life, it's not a justification of denying people right to live.

"Appeal to Tradition" logical fallacy.

The fact that you do not perceive unnecessary suffering as something the world would be better off without tells me you do not understand it.

He can side with Chaldea and save PHH, he chooses not to.

And why should he? If he does he would be responsible for the unnecessary suffering of billions in the future and he would have discarded a prime opportunity to prevent it.

That's okay, Chaldea will still defend their home and they did in fact won over Wodime. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

If you think might makes right then you are evil.

You are judging their worth with your own personal criteria, it's subjective. Many would disagree, for instance, the people you are sacrificing over LB Greeks.

Anyone who disagrees would only do so due to a lack of understand of how disgusting and cruel PHH is.

I have sympathy for those who suffer, but you can't use people suffering as justification for ending PHH world.

Can you go to some remote village in Africa and tell starving children about to die that they will need to keep suffering because you didn't want to end a cruel and disgusting human history?

I personally couldn't do that. But hey, I actually care about what's right and unlike you I do not use nonsensical justifications for continuting unnecessary suffering without having truly experienced it myself.

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