Why a certain Crypter was right and Chaldea was wrong

False, world history was my major area of study for many years.

Well no offense but then that just means you suck at applying your knowledge to online discussions.

I understand that very well. And that’s how many subcultures began and how many died.

Then why did you say earlier that in our history "nobody was forced to become something different"?

Also nobody gets to decide what is best for everyone.

Wrong. By that logic it is subjective which is better between a world full of suffering with no potential to improve and a world full of happiness with potential for the future. But that's not true as anyone with common sense knows the second world is better than the first.

You can’t decide what’s best for me anymore than I can for you.

One person deciding what's best for specifically one other person is indeed not always objective. But deciding what is best for all humans in general is different. Just look at the aforementioned example.

Anybody who thinks they can is purely ignorant.

And how can you conclude that so definitively for any situation without any actual arguments?

Everyone gets to choose what’s best for them. Trying to take away that choice is nothing more than inhumane.

That train of thought would only debunk my argument if suffering is better than being free of it and at least the majority of people agreed with that. But that is not the case.

Something Wodime couldn’t understand because he never understood common people. Deciding for yourself what’s best for people, and those that don’t even exist yet is nothing more than a misplaced sense of pride and hubris.

Look at the earlier example and you'll see that common sense does dictate one thing to be better than another in certain cases. This topic is one such case.

I’ve also seen you saying the “Nigjt makes right” arguement proves that they’re in the wrong.

So you agree that Chaldea isn't right? Good.

But Wodime himself used that.

Because he had no other choice. Leaving humanity be in such a sorry state when a far better alternative exists is wrong.

By allowing and using the bleaching of earth, he used the might of the foreign god, then the Greek gods and the Greek lostbelt itself, even attempting to murder Chaldea to prove himself correct. So your own argument is falling in on itself because you can’t see beyond your own idea of a perfect picture

He fought Chaldea only after they rejected his plan. If they had agreed with him and did the right thing he would not have fought them.

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