I get what you're saying; if we're not the kind of person who can stomach seeing any sort of sex, then drawn-out sex scenes can make us uncomfortable.

But I find it funny that you find it so necessary to defend this scene as not being disturbing at all and not the others. You seem to care a lot about my opinions on the Dorian/Angelique scene, and I was just curious as to why? Fair enough! I'll explain myself :) The reason I am defending this scene as not being disturbing (and not the others) is for multiple reasons: 1. The scene itself is not disturbing at all; it is our perception of it that makes it disturbing. What we're seeing is two people acting out a consensual sex scene; what makes it 'good' or 'bad' is how we receive it, because I hope we can agree that consensual sex between willing adults is not disturbing or "gross" in-and-of-itself? If we argue from a religious/cultural standpoint, then we can say that we find the scene to be immoral... But immorality is not synonymous with grossness. 2. The reason I am discussing the sex scene between Dorian and Angelique with you is because that is the one that was emphasised by your exchange with the commenter above me (titania86). You initially said And the emmy award for longest chain of gross sex scenes goes to And titania86 asked What's gross about Dorian/Angelique? Because that scene was one of the ones that you had dubbed gross. And you responded: It's one thing to be supportive of gay or transexual people, it's another thing to actually enjoy watching them have sex. Because you and the previous commenter had already singled out Dorian and Angelique in your exchange, when I joined into that part of the convo, it was with regards to that relationship :) 3. The reason I am defending this scene as not being disturbing at all, and not the other scenes, is because from my perspective the sex scene between Dorian and Angelique is the only one that is not disturbing at all. I’ll elaborate: Evelyn Poole is using black magic/witchcraft to manipulate Sir Malcolm Murray, and as we can see with the latest episode(s), that mainly seems to be around using spells and that spike on her ring in order to beguile him and influence the decisions he makes. To me, this is akin to date rape, like intentionally getting someone drunk in order to have sex with them without their protest. She is using a ‘substance’ to manipulate/proke a ‘yes’ out of someone who has already, kindly, said that they want to refrain from engaging in that sort of a relationship (that scene at the shooting range). The sex they had may not be physically violent or forceful, but it is nonetheless an act made without freewill. If/once Sir Malcolm finds out what he did, I highly highly doubt he will be comfortable about it. So their sex scene disturbs me because rape is disgusting. Victor and Lily having sex also makes me very uncomfortable, because of how messed-up their relationship is. Victor killed Brona. Yes, she was dying from consumption, but what he did (in my opinion) was murder and not euthanasia; he never got her permission, and she never requested it. Even in countries where people are debating legalising euthanasia, no one is arguing for doctors to have the right to kill their patients without their patients’ input into the matter. But not only did he kill her—maybe part of it was an act of mercy in his mind, though he still violated her autonomy—he then used her corpse with the intention of providing a bride for the Creature. Brona did not know about this at all; at no point did she agree to this kind of treatment, or to be made the immortal mate of some man she’d never met. So now we have Lily, created without Brona’s input and knowledge, who is (for now) a blank slate. She was very innocent and childlike, which is a sharp cry from who Brona Croft was. She is very vulnerable. Victor is a father-figure and an authority figure. In previous episodes, he moulded her physically into what he wanted, not what she wanted. He dyed her hair blond because he preferred fair-haired ladies, he fabricated a history and relationship between them that was a complete lie, and used that false familiarity to influence her trust in him. And don’t forget that he named her as he liked; this is after he let Proteus, his second-born, chose his own name. Victor may not have been violent with Lily, but he nonetheless violated the hell out of Brona’s autonomy and is in a huge position of authority over Lily. While Lily did initiate the sex between them, Victor actively participated. She is essentially his daughter, to whom he has been way more paternalistic than he was towards his two sons. I’d argue that Lily does not have the capacity to consent because of her ‘youth’ and inexperience. Plus the power imbalance between them. Plus it’s incestuous. Ew ew ew.

Dorian and Angelique, however, are not gross. They had consensual sex, free of manipulation or coercion. So from where I’m standing, the scene between them is the only one that is not gross or disturbing in any way.

You’re right in the assessment that I am curious about your opinions on the Dorian and Angelique scene :) and the reason why is because of my own opinions, as I’ve detailed above (sorry for the wall of text). I see the Sir Malcom/Evelyn and Lily/Victor scenes as gross and disturbing because, well, rape, but do not hold the one between Dorian and Angelique in the same light. And yet you described all three as gross. I mentioned in my previous post that in order for something to be gross, we need to interpret it negatively (eg. a rape scene acted out by consenting actors) otherwise how can we find it gross? So basically, I was wondering about your opinion on Dorian and Angelique and how you came to see them as gross because in order to see them that way, something about the scene or their dynamic or whatever must strike you the wrong way.