I'm more passionate about it than anything. My tendency to rant makes it seem way more important to me than it is, but I suppose it is pretty important to me.

DBZ was full of the "power ups" thing. But it was very self-aware of how cheap that was, and made that a big part of the series. So it can definitely be enjoyable! And don't get me wrong, there are a lot of shows I like now that have the "random" stuff thrown in there, but I don't enjoy it as much as I enjoy shows that don't have that element.

I wouldnt want to set those back as bad writing because for her it could be the best book ever and rightfully so.

I agree for the most part. That's a great point. But at the same time, was The Room (one of the worst films in history) well written just because I liked it? Nope. It was terribly written and the "so bad it's good" quality it has wasn't done on purpose. But I liked it. I think there's a big difference between people enjoying something and that something being good. People enjoy Bud Light but that doesn't make it amazing beer, yeah?

You really do have a good point though. If people enjoy it, it obviously isn't terrible. So calling it "bad" might no be fair. I don't think it's right though to state that their popularity is due to its quality writing, but it can't be completely terrible if a bunch of people like it.

And like you said, if it seems like a good fit that's good enough reason to at least experiment with that idea. The list just reminded me of my high school "Creative Writing" teacher, who would say things like that and would chew out anyone who didn't use a formula to write their assignment. I ended up getting the best grades and everyone who didn't nearly failed every assignment. She couldn't figure out why. Every assignment (we had few), I would tell them my process and showed I didn't use any of the restrictions she placed on us.

But here's an important question: Do you think all of those people would enjoy the lesser quality shows/books/movies/etc as much if they saw higher quality works or started to notice the bad plot devices, plot holes, Dues/Diabolus Ex Machina, poorly written characters, etc?

It's like having nothing but Hershey's Milk Chocolate and then trying expensive Dutch chocolate. You start to see everything that's better about Dutch chocolate and realize what was bad about the stuff you used to eat. So my belief is that people shouldn't be taught that Hershey's is the way to do things. They should be taught how to notice quality and try and create higher quality goods themselves.