Millions of Muslims woke up on Sunday and went to bed without murdering anyone.

That's twisting my words somewhat. I didn't say all supporters of Islam and all terrorists are mentally ill. But you don't go to a gay club regularly, snap, and shoot 100 people unless there is something wrong in your head. His religion was not relevant. He would have done it if he was a Catholic. He would have done it if he was a Zen Buddhist.

While that's possible it's also completely hypothetical. He was what he was, to say that if he had a different belief system he wouldn't have done this is anyone's guess and relies on the assumption that he is mentally ill. Him being mentally ill is still an assumption, it's not proven simply by his violent actions. His belief system was what was wrong in his head.

Let's not beat around the bush any longer though. What I am saying here is that this man was not a foreign terrorist. He was not invading America to impose Islamic radicalization.

He was a homophobic American citizen who killed his fellow countrymen.

Deporting Muslims wouldn't have stopped this, because guess what? He's an American.

Wait, what? Deporting Muslims would have prevented this since, while American, he is also a Muslim... The problem isn't his race it's his religion.

I have made comments on the ideology of Islam in the past but my personal opinion is that because cultures develop at vastly different rates but are forced to interact with each other on the global stage, we are always going to have these violent culture clashes. The reality is that our culture is a little bit ahead in terms of women's rights, religious freedoms and LGBT rights (not TOO far ahead though, don't kid yourselves. We still have Christians murdering homosexuals and performing terrorist attacks on planned parenthood). This is 100% purely by chance. In other words, given enough time, the middle east's Islamic community would eventually reach the same place. Just like how eventually, Africa's Christians will eventually stop executing gays, and Burma*'s Buddhists will stop murdering Muslims.

That may very well be the case but it's all speculative. Islam in the Middle East may not progress even in 100 years, maybe it will but it's possible that it wont. At least you admit that it's an issue with their culture though. A culture that is very heavily tied to their religion.

All the anti-woman, anti-gay, pro-violence crap in Islamic holy text is present in the Bible too. Hell, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic religions. From a scholarly point of view, they all follow the same God, they only differ on the fine print. Islamic holy texts have references to Jesus, for example.

Sure, but you can't justify shooting people in the Bible while you can with Islamic texts that are said to be the word of Allah himself. If you can find a verse in the New Testament (or a Christian denomination) that encourages violence then please show me, the Old Testament was much more violent but Jews are no where near as violent as Muslims. Islam is a dangerous religion, to say that it's just as bad as Christianity or Judaism because they're all Abrahamaic is just simply wrong.

There are many Islamic countries that are perfectly fine right now and are progressing well - while they aren't at the same level as most of Europe and North America, expecting every country to be at that level of social progress is unreasonable and unrealistic. IIRC one even has or had a female head of state. It's just the middle east (which, oddly enough, is the region the US and Russia invaded between the 50's and the 80's, destabilizing every government and installing extremist dictators all over the place, funny how that works) that's got most of the bad apples.

That's also a factor, sure, but whether it's the main factor is up for debate. When your religious text encourage war and violence it's only a matter of time before groups like ISIS are to arise. Doesn't matter if they die in the name of Allah because they'll get rewarded in the afterlife anyway.

Islamic extremism works just like any other kind of extremism - if the middle east were Catholic-centric, then they would be Catholic extremists and we'd be arguing about how the bible is awful. In the middle east, we have Jewish Extremists murdering Muslims and destroying entire Muslim towns but I have never heard a single word about how Jews are savage terrorists all my life.

That's probably because Jewish terrorists aren't attacking innocent people outside of the Middle East. Islam is a very hateful religion and Jews are also a target of such hatred, it's only natural for them to feel the same way towards Muslims that are attacking them.

The ONLY reason Islam is considered "The problem" is because it's the target that the government chose. It's the common trait among the countries that were fucked up BY US beyond repair, and they make a convenient "THEY" since we can't blame the Russians or the Chinese or the Jews or the Commies anymore without getting laughed at.

I don't think this has anything to do with the government. It seems most people, including President Obama, are avoiding saying the word "Islam" or "Muslim" for that very reason. Support for Trump is only going to grow because he doesn't beat around the bush like the others, he has criticised those who don't refer to this as radical Islamic terror.

Religion itself is not dangerous. The problem is that people are easily manipulated. You can twist reality and people's beliefs and fears and emotions until they're doing exactly what you want them to do. Terrorists do this to convince normal Muslim people to strap bombs to themselves and the US Government and Media does this to encourage people like you and me to hate and fear Muslims.

I don't disagree that religion itself isn't dangerous but followed by the statement that 'people are easily manipulated' it just shows how big a problem religion is. To say that religion isn't dangerous is to say that guns aren't dangerous. They're both dangerous, it just depends on how you use them.

The US is really, really fucked up and it's really really hard to fix all the fundamental problems, and doing so works against the best interests of the politicians and the people who fund them. So it's easier to have a scapegoat.... like our convenient enemy, THE MUSLIMS! Notice how the media does this? I don't remember the media reporting Sandy Hook as CHRISTIAN MAN SHOOTS A BUNCH OF CHILDREN IN THE FACE, do you?

Was Adam Lanza's motivation religious? It's not at all relevant if it's not. Islam is the problem, maybe I don't follow the media enough to see them all blaming Muslims for this.. In fact I see the opposite happening more.

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