Pauline Kael's infamous review of 2001: A Space Odyssey

Kael

You're just trying to justify her writing, the initial conversation was about the use of the term "hissy-fit," so this is a completely different conversation. I never said Kael shouldn't have written the article, I just think the descriptor "hissy-fit" is perfectly appropriate, albeit not the best available descriptor.

BTW, since we had this initial conversation I've heard the term "hissy-fit" use twice, in reference to Bill O' Reily and Milo. So are you cool with it being used in reference to them? I think all three uses are appropriate.

Fwiw - I think American women do pretty well, but our country could still do better. We’ve made remarkable progress and things are going in the right direction, but like you said: we’ll never have a perfectly equal society, the difference for me is that means the struggle never ends. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think that yelling at strangers on the internet is “fighting the good feminist fight” or anything like that, this is just a pastime. I take other actions irl.

You do not communicate your thoughts clearly when you say stuff like this:

I had suspected you were some sort of Red Pill theorist and it's nice to have it confirmed. The world view in these posts is so out of touch with reality that it comes across as fascistic trolling as opposed to delusional. Maybe you actually believe all of this, I don't know, but it just looks like MRA dogma that's designed to counter feminism by any means necessary, truth be damned.

What you communicate with this paragraph is "Sexism is a very serious problem in America, and if you disagree with that then you're delusional."

Everything else was vague, hyperbolic generalizations about “censoring universities entirely” and “adopting absurd policies in the name of feminism,” and you didn’t explain how this is happening or give any examples.

I would have if you actually asked for more examples.

Colleges promote a Marxist/Postmodern ideology, which is the underlying cause of the majority of what now masquerades as Feminism. I'd need a whole essay to go into this in any detail, but the TLDR is universities tend to indoctrinate students into the "oppressed vs oppressor" ideology, exaggerate the ills of society, and ignore its benefits. This has the specific goal of overthrowing some or all of western civilization, which you can confirm for yourself by going to any gender studies program and looking at their stated goals.

Specific examples:

Absurd codes of conduct regarding sexuality such as affirmative consent.

General intolerance to any ideology outside of Neo-Marxist Liberalism/Anarchism. This turns something that should be a place of discussion into more of an indoctrination factory.

Active suppression of free speech.

I could probably list more examples, but you get the idea.

I don’t know what your personal baggage is regarding college, and I don’t expect you to admit to having a bad college experience, but it’s hard to sympathize if you’re not willing to be specific about your claims and back them up with examples.

I had what I would describe as acutely traumatic experiences in public school, which I regard as not much better than child abuse. College was just an over-marketed waste of my time.

Also I only mentioned 5 points like that to try and provoke you into saying anything aside from empty platitudes and personal attacks. I'm tired of meeting people on the internet who seem intelligent but are totally unwilling to engage in any form of discussion. Clearly, this tactic worked.

Later you mentioned Milo, but I think it’s worth pointing out that, pedophilia controversy aside, he’s still a guy who has had a fan kill someone before and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

When? I don't support Milo at all, but I find that hard to believe.

Hatred of colleges

My hatred of colleges is mostly based in the common-sense belief that you can learn 10 times faster studying on your own than attending classes, but you're not allowed to do that because "everyone needs a degree." I'm sure for some/most people the experience is overall good, but I don't respect any institution which insists on its own importance to the point where competing institutions (Such as being an autodidact) are totally disrespected.

Sexism is not real

More accurate to say Sexism is real but it is not a problem of great enough significance to worry about, and the constantly aggression of intersexional third-wave feminists is doing far more harm than good.

Use of the term “SJW” – only bigots use this as a pejorative

It's a highly descriptive word to describe a very specific type of person and behavior. I have absolutely no problem using it, because the implied disrespect is warranted.

Hiding behind “free speech” to justify cruelty

I absolutely never did that.

Dismissing the perpetrators of hate crimes as lone wolfs

No, I distinguished between isolated psychopaths and organized acts of political violence. You confabulated the two and tried to divert into a different conversation.

Claiming the existence of affirmative action disproves the white male patriarchy

It does. If society only cared about white men then affirmative action wouldn't exist.

as if affirmative action invalidates mass incarceration

Mass incarceration is moreso a result of the absurd differences in incidences of violent crime in the black community. It's 3-8x the rate of any other race, depending on whose numbers you believe.

racialized police tactics and brutality

Total bullshit. Half of the examples that get trotted out are just awful (Martin, Brown), and there is no accounting for the fact that white people also get shot by police.

The truth of police brutality is real, but not a racial issue. Police are also "above the law" and can get out of basically anything, but the mistake often made by leftists is to act like this only happens with black people. It happens with everyone, and has no racial component.

You want to reform the criminal justice system? Great, we're in full agreement, but unless you're talking about sentencing rates (Specifically death row sentencing rates) there is no strong statistical argument that these problems are the result of racism.

voter suppression

This is 100% expected politics. The democrats court minorities, so the republicans try to stop minorities from voting. The democrats also engage in the same kind of gerrymandering bullshit, and support policies that allow illegal immigrants to vote, etc. None of this has anything to do with racism, it's just politics. I don't deny at all that it happens, though, but "voter suppression" is literally never a problem for an individual, because you're talking about policies which only have an impact on the scale of hundreds of thousands of people. Like, you really should be able to prove citizenship to vote. The fact that this will disproportionately impact illegal immigrants or minorities is kind of irrelevant to the fact that these policies often make sense.

And before you start prattling on about Republican politics, I oppose the electoral college, which obviously favors Republicans. Also I've never voted Republican or supported a Republican candidate.

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