Satiety: You keep Using that Word

I think you have confused me with someone promoting high protein and high fiber for satiety.

Indeed. Because you literally said they were satiating.

I am advocating no such thing. I was countering the statements in the article claiming that neither is able to bring satiety.

Clearly, which is why I presented my questions. I think they are fairly tame and demonstrate the lack of evidence that either provides satiety.

The entire hypothesis presented is that extremely high dairy fat is uniquely filling. I am saying that the specific foods eaten are not the real deciding factor for hunger signaling to be out of control.

I'm not here to defend ex50 or any of this hypotheses and I don't care what they are, but your assertion that protein and fiber are satiating was, demonstrably, what I wanted to question. He's closer to ROS theory, which is closer to Brad's position, but I find alternative views refreshing when they're presented with evidence.

I define a healthy gut lining as one with tight junctions, where there is no indication that an inflammatory response is triggered with the ingestion of foods containing chemicals/particles that can be irritants.

That's a good definition for all I know, but it still begs the question of what irritants and how much one is supposed to tolerate.

Bodybuilders aim to maintain a bodyweight percentage much lower than non-athletes would desire.

This implies the satiation mechanism down-regulates based on the leanness of the individual. That sounds entirely plausible, but you have to remember that Mr. Universe is not lean year-round. They have to cut down from being chubby in the off season when they are building muscle.

So at the beginning of a cut, they are consuming enormous protein with a non-lean body fat percentage and still counting calories because they don't appear to find protein satiating.

Which, of all people, one would think that body builders using all that protein to maintain muscle would be satiated by protein. The body literally needs all that protein. Why isn't it satisfying them?

I did not say "eat fiber, you will lose weight".

No but you said it was satiating, which very much does mean the ability to be satisfied and thus not eat more. If satiation does not mean "I am satisfied and no longer have any desire to eat," then I think you should define your terms. That short definition would appear to be, in the context of this sub, exactly what everyone else means by it.

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