Are parents criminals?

Part 2. 3) Life is Death, and reproduction is murder. By bringing the Nonexistent into existence, Breeders are sadistically forcing Life/Death and its inescapable needs onto a Human that could never consent to its forced existence, but now has to deal with it on its own. Even if they want to end their forced existence, fighting with their survival instincts, fear of Death, and needless attachment to their temporary existence will cause more suffering. Breeders have to then stop bringing the Nonexistent into this trap of existence

It is impossible to know if the Nonexistent wants to experience this temporary existence or not. It is impossible to ask the Nonexistent for consent, but just because consent can not be given, it does not mean you get to assume the Nonexistent's answer would be "yes, I want to exist", specially in this one way Life where the danger of undesirable outcomes, and an inescapable Death are guaranteed.

Thus, bringing Humans/other species into this one way Life (Life => Unavoidable Death, Life => Unavoidable Sickness, Life => Unavoidable Suffering, and constant war with Boredom) where positive and negative values are reactive, and the Humans/other species are always exposed to an unavoidable Death, Hunger, Boredom, Disease, Disability, Disorders, Abuse, Rape, Depression, Psychological disorders (when people who are close to them die), Injury, Accidents, Suffering, and Financial issues is clearly murder. Reproduction is always unethical, and is always a wrong thing to do.

4) I hate all Natalists/Breeders, as they are hypocrites. And you realize why morality exists, do you not. All signs of Human presence on the world, from politics, to Morality, to violence, to architecture, to art, to social structures, are based around perpetual human angst at its own inability to control or comprehend its animalistic desire to destroy and consume. Everything exists because Humans wanted to be anything other than sex-crazed murderers, but now that most Humans have become sex-crazed murderers, Humans have replaced their culture and ethics with technology, that might help them pretend to not be animals, even when they are still sex-crazed animals.

But all the brainwashed delusional uneducated insane ignorant selfish immoral sex-crazed Natalists/Breeders have no morality, and they have no sense of what is harmful, and wrong. Morality exists to stop Humans from jumping into animalism, but Natalists/Breeders jump right into animalism by breeding, becoming sex-crazed murderers, and bringing Humans into this one way Life without their consent, but at the same time they pretentiously claim "Murder and rape are immoral and wrong things to do".

As an Efilist Anti-Natalist myself, I care about my and every child's suffering. But no, I do not care about the suffering the Natalists/Breeders experience. I treat all Natalists/Breeders' suffering with the same indifference they treat their or their children's suffering, when they force their children into existence/suffering without their consent. All Natalists/Breeders are brainwashed delusional uneducated insane ignorant selfish immoral sex-crazed murderers. All Natalists/Breeders are monsters/slaves/breeding puppets of Life/Death/suffering, of their own ignorance, and of the government, and there is nothing more to them.

Natalists/Breeders do not deserve any compassion or respect, and it is NOT civilized to treat these literal monsters with compassion, respect and dignity. Life is Death, and reproduction is murder. Nobody has the right to reproduce, the same way Nobody has the right to murder or rape. As Reproduction is the unethical/immoral forcing of Life/Death on a child without its consent, that is the killing of another Human with intent, reproduction is a serious crime deserving of the harshest punishments available. All Natalists/Breeders/parents have to be punished, and be given a life sentence/the death penalty as a response to their severely harmful, undesirable, and unacceptable actions of reproduction.

5) Natalists claim "Reproduction is a natural desire and the majority of existence reproduces", and they are wrong. All Humans/animals have the "natural desire" to rape and murder those who piss them off too, but it's not like the majority of Humans act on that "hardwired instinct" when the benefits are outweighed by the risks.

Murder and rape are both common in the majority of existence/animal kingdom, but both are harmful/unethical and both will land you in prison for a long time. Now for some reason, reproduction gets a free pass and is even encouraged? Natalists/Breeders are Hypocrites. Reproduction is as immoral and unethical as murder and rape. The majority of instinctual/hardwired activities and desires are severely harmful, unethical or immoral, and they can always be controlled by logic, reason, and critical thinking skills. That "desire for reproduction" can easily be controlled by logic, reason, and critical thinking skills.

Saying that "reproduction is hardwired/a natural desire" is a poor excuse for this action that requires critical thinking and premeditation. Reflexes and involuntary responses are excusable to a degree, but reproduction/murder/rape that require deliberate action can never be justified by the simple excuse "Murder/Rape is natural desire". Who on Earth has given the Natalists/Breeders the right to reproduce, when the child can never consent to its forced existence, suffering and unavoidable Death in this universe? All Natalists/Breeders have to be punished repeatedly as a response to their harmful, undesirable and unacceptable actions of Reproduction. Not even imprisonment, or a million lashes are enough for Breeders to pay for the suffering they have knowingly and consciously caused for years.

Natalists might say "Reproduction is natural" But again, just because something is "natural", it does not mean it is "good" or ethical. Rape is natural, Murder is natural, Cancer is natural, diarrhea is natural, bubonic plaque is natural, parasites are natural, and Death is natural. Just because diarrhea, plaque, cancer, parasites, rape and murder are natural, does this mean they are "good" or ethical? No, it does not. What right do Natalists/Breeders have to live more than a cancer cell, a parasite or an intestinal worm do just because they are a Human? Cancer, a virus, or a dangerous worm are just as much part of nature as Natalists/Breeders are. Just because cancer, virus, or a dangerous worm are natural, it does not mean they are "good". If something being natural gives it the right of acceptance, then all Natalists/Breeders have to keep their cancer in their body without having a surgery, Natalists/Breeders have to accept Death every time they get sick without seeing the doctor even if they are scared of Death, and all Natalists/Breeders have to keep a dangerous worm alive even if it is killing them.
If all natural things are equal, then there is no basis for making value judgments. Not against Natalists/Breeders or for Natalists/Breeders . And think of where that will get us to. There will be nothing to help any of us when we are in need or when we are physically harmed. And everyone gets to a place where they have a need.

Rape, and murder are both natural desires in the majority of animal kingdom, but just because they are natural, or they are natural desires, it does not mean Rape and Murder are not harmful, unethical, or immoral.

Reproduction is only done out of Narcissism, Ignorance, Greed, Egotism, Insensitivity, and that is unarguable. Reproduction is never about what that unconscious Nonexistence thing (that can not consent to its existence) wants or will want. It's always about what two horny Humans want to sadistically force on a Nonexistent that can not consent to its forced existence.

With the fact that living Humans did not exist for billions of years before their temporary existence and that they will go back to Non existence after their inescapable Death in this universe, bringing any Human/any specie into this temporary state where they are constantly exposed to suffering to survive is unnecessary torture and murder.

All the Humans/other living species who reproduce are murderers.

E.g. See all the delusional idiots who knowingly bring Humans that are born with severe Genetic disorders. All Humans who reproduce, have to be questioned for their "Mental Illnesses".

Natalists/Breeders think "Life is Good"? If they think "Life is Good", then I like to enjoy picturing them as a 95 years old, when you are incompetent, impotent, senile and dribbling into their own laps and they try to remember who they even are or what the words "Happiness", "Life" or "Good" even mean. Natalists have to think more, to find life's natural conclusion, then talk to me about how "Good" of a pursuit their "pointless" fruitless existence is.

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