What can we do to encourage more maps that include *all* of Europe?

Israel is a western country. Western =/= European. The US and Canada may share more with Europe than arguably some countries which some consider European, but that doesn't make those two European. "Closeness" to Europe is not what I am arguing about. But that being European involves a combination of several factors and not only the geographic, which doesn't mean the geographic one is not one of the main factors.

Look at a map of Russia and the many distinct ethnic groups living there and tell me how you consider them to be 100% "indigenous" Europen? Have you ever been to Russia? But yet Russia is considered European because of its overall historic, cultural and political sameness with Europe.

The people of the Canary Islands can be indistinguishable racially from Berbers of Morocco, they are not indigenous European people, unless you consider the Berber and other North African peoples to be indigenous European, and the same can be argued with many populations found in southern Europe who historically have been populating on both sides of the mediterranean, the African and European side. There is a significant proportion of Turkish people who have their roots in Europe - genetically even. "Indigenous people" is a debatable metric to use to absolutely determine European-ness.

You seem to be using mainly a (very debatable) racial metric for what should be European, in which case Armenians would be grouped with western Europeans. But indigenousness nor racial makeup are what defines being European.

Being European is an arbitrary geopolitical construct with emphasis on both geographical and political. You cannot separate the political aspect from what it means to be European.

Looking back at the 80s, or early 90s even, there was little you could find in common between Spaniards and the Finnish, if anything. And yet it has precisely been the political aspect which has been working in the past decades in unifying all these people under one identity - where for example Spaniards progressed towards what we consider to be European values, and arguably became more "European". These are all political processes which define identities. This is where Council of Europe comes in - it is the incubator, with an agenda, to in effect create a unified Europe.

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