60% of college students are now women.
The explanation for that is that there are a lot of "living wage" paying jobs available to men, such as electricians, factory workers, etc. But to earn a living wage, women need a degree. So more of them go to college.
Any one of them could go in to computer science, and be accepted more easily than a man with the same merit. They would receive more support, help all the way through, and if they graduated they would be the first to be picked for jobs.
Not quite, studies have found that teachers tend to give better grades to men and women for different reasons. Men for being more risk taking, more involved, and more curious. Women however, get better grades for being obedient. So while women actually tend to get higher grades, they actually receive lower quality education and become less prepared for the business world.
Not to mention, women that have gone into stem fields complain about tons of gender based harrassment. All the students and teachers act like they only get by on looks, they assume they're not qualified based on gender, they tease them, they hit on them, and they make them feel like outsiders. A great number of women have dropped out of or never gone into stem fields because of this.
But of course, you're calling all those women liars aren't you.
There is no wage gap.
Wage gap means "a gap between wages" You yourself admit there are "reasons" why women earn less. thus you admit there's a wage gap. Don't deny the facts. You're not saying there's no wage gap, you're just saying the wage gap is "fair." I disagree.
Women ignore high paying STEM jobs and choose lower skilled child development, nurse related, etc jobs.
So why do women gravitate towards low paying "nurturing" female dominated jobs? Why do women earn less in than men in all of those fields? Could it be society? Or are you saying women's brains are somehow unable to accomplish what men's brains are? I think it's society, it's how women are raised. and it's how women are treated as adults.
Full time men work 8% longer than full time women. Women take more time off in general, take ample time off when having children, and often quit or take years off at a time for family
Again, is that genetic? Or does society place unfair expectations on women. But again, that's not an excuse, The total gap in time I've heard is 4%, you say it's 8%. But the wage gap is 23%. That's simply not enough to "explain" the gap. And that doesn't excuse it anyway. Studies have found that women are discriminated against in how many hours they are assigned. And higher paying male dominated positions tend to require more overtime, while lower paying positions tend to forbid overtime.
The fact is women don't. And the main reason they don't is because they don't have to. They make deliberate decisions choosing lower paying less involved (easy) jobs.
The figures feminists use are cherrypicked they measure overall men pay overall women pay over years not accounting for any of this.
They don't usually "account" for those excuses because that's all they are, excuses. There's a wage gap, and the CAUSE of all those excuses has not been proven to be 100% fair.
The arguments you've stated are word for word things that have come from highly paid conservative think tanks. And they're dishonest. I'll bet none of them mention the fact that even after accounting for hours worked, job position, education, and experience, women still earn around 7% than a man with the same job.
There's always room for a talented programmer (which could easily be a woman).
But why are most programmers men? You say that you're NOT claiming women's brains are inferior. So what's the reason women can't be programmers? A study was conducted where people were told to take care of a child for an hour, they gave some of the "parents" toddlers that were males dressed as females, and vice-versa. The interesting result was when a "boy" who was actually a girl picked up a "male" toy like a truck, the parents helped them play with it, but if they picked up a doll, the parents took them away and guided them back to male toys, and vice versa.
Parents guide children towards gendered toys. Boys get model rockets, programmable legos, rc cars, erector sets, science labs, radio building kids, and etc. But girls don't usually get that stuff. Girls grow up with dolls, toy vacuum cleaners, makeup kits, and easy bake ovens.
So don't claim society isn't enforcing old fashioned gender roles on people's careers, it starts at an early age.
That doesn't change the fact that women have it easier than anyone else. If you look at the core of the job market the women are always the one in an air conditioned environment.
Yes, women have easier jobs, with shorter hours, less responsibility, and less pay. And then they can't support themselves. That's not ideal. Society does place unfair expectations on both men and women. Men are pushed to work do hard, too dangerously, and to sacrifice too much. Women not enough. Society steers women towards family and men towards careers. Both are issues that need solving, but the wage gap is real and this problem is the cause.
. Endless endless shit. endless endless shit. How many more do you want to hear? Maybe I should spend the next hour and a half dropping links to 30 hours of reading. How dare the feminists act like they do. It's completely fabricated and disconnected to reality.
Why the fuck are you blaming feminists for any of that? I never said "men have no problems." Of course men have problems, it's part of that old fashioned gender stereotype that says women are precious mothers that can't do real work and need a man to support them, and men are disposable emotionless workers. It sucks all around. Feminism is one of the few groups that actually recognizes the problem and is trying to do something around it. That's actually the definition of feminist terms like "toxic masculinity" and "patriarchy" And don't listen to the critics, feminists don't think patriachy is good for men either, it's a technical term, not the dictionary definition, it basically means "old fashioned gender stereotypes".
My biggest problem with you and so many women warriors/feminists is you are factually wrong and drunk on your own spin, much like all the shitty oil company spin, shitty politics, shitty lying tree huggers. and shitty CEOS, woman or man.
I'm a guy BTW... And where do you think your argument comes from? Most of the anti-wage gap arguments you made comes directly from the "american enterprise institute". A conservative think tank that's been funded by everything from the bush administration to the Koch Bros. It's the same think tank responsible for the climate change denial movement.
Listen more to sources like the CDC, Education department, etc and less to your 'friends'. Those sources are much better and compromised enough.
My sources are scientific studies and research papers. What are your sources on the "reasons women don't go into technical fields and choose easier jobs"?
If I observe this, and acknowledge it it doesn't make me anti-women.
No, saying that doesn't make you anti-woman.
If women stopped prancing around looking for 'good men' and accomplished something besides lobbying for more amenities for women we could all get back to having families and sharing domestic responsibilities.
However, saying that makes you look suspiciously anti-woman.
My wife worked fucking hard at her job, she did a better job than her co-workers, and she had more experience, and better results, you know how she was treated? They constantly asked her when she was going to leave to start a family. "Go home and make babies!" they said. She was never given a promotion or a raise in 9 years. And every time I got a job, they assumed she would be moving so we could work closer to my job rather than hers.
Don't say my wife's problem is that she "prances around" and "looks for men" instead of working hard. That's fucking narcissistic of you. Get it through your thick skull that you're not the best in the world, meaning that some people have it harder than you. And it's possible for women to put in more and get less out. And that your success isn't just due to how much "better" you are than others, you have had some things easier than others do.
That's really what this is about isn't it. You don't want to accept that someone else could have started father back than you, or had more hurdles. You want to feel good about your success, and you think feminists are just out to make you feel bad by pointing out that you've had advantages. Well it's not about you.