Americans threatening to move to Canada if Donald Trump becomes president

Regardless of whether those polls are accurate

kek. Even Pew is inaccurate when it goes against your preconceived notions. Who's the party of logic and science again?

it goes against every foundational ethic of our society to descrimate against an entire group because of what other people similar to them have done.

How exactly? There is no way to preform background checks on them and they pose a threat to our society and way of life. Why should we let them in? Also, only 50% of migrants are actually refugees, the rest are opportunistic assholes.

we aren't the thought police. The left is always being accused of trying to legislate thoughts and outlaw beliefs that make them uncomfortable, but that is exactly what this is. It is not against the law to sympathize with hateful groups. Being a racist isn't illegal, neither is being friends with murderers. We punish people for actions, attempted or successful. We cannot punish or descriminate against people for agreeing with the illegal actions of others.

But we're letting people in our house. I don't want to let in people who are terrorists or sympathise with terrorists. Why? Because they are dangerous people. Remember 9/11? Paris? We have borders and an immigration system for a reason.

If somebody has a shitty childhood

Young, second generation muslim immigrants are actually more extreme than even their parents.

Many, many Christians believe that is exactly what happened.

Only 28%, still massive, but in Islam it's the fundamental tenant.

Again, this is based on what - beyond your own opinions?

ISIS actually implements Islamic rules that are too extreme for even Iran. Raping captured women and girls and killing everyone else. Rapidly only trying to expand. Unaltered Sharia law. Etc. Name one other country that has done so in the past 100 years.

And the bible commands Christians to spread the Church. Christian colonists and radical christians today use the bible as a rationalization for the subjugation and forced conversions of other religions.

Not as clearly as Islam. Muhammed literally took over Arabia, Jesus got crucified. Additionally, NOT TODAY!

not address why Trump is apparently "asking the hard questions"

I precisely said he's not...

Which means what, exactly? That political and abstract theological modifications to a religion have more than a passing effect on what followers of that religion will use it to justify? The Christian faith was used to justify horrible attrocities long after the reformation.

Today? Are christian crimes even compatible to muslim crimes?

Indonesian or Thai muslims are hardly primitive, and millions of muslims are from western "advanced" countries. Furthermore, there are hordes of extremely devout, even radical Christians from these so-called "advanced" cultures but who nevertheless follow their religion with blind, bloody single-mindedness.

Ahh, the classic mating call of regressive "but Indonesia!!!". Indonesia also has a primitive and inferior culture to ours. 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003, 41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007. 30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam. 42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers. No, I’m not going to link all the sources. Put the sentence in a quotes in google and you’ll find it.

Not much data is available on Thailand but according to pew, ~50% support stoning adulterers.

Again, I'd like to see you quantify this somehow, and what?


Islam as a religion has no fundamental reason to be more naturally anti-semitic than any other.

Ok, when you say something like this, it just makes people who are educated on this topic regret talking to you. Please read up on this stuff… k?

Keep in mind Christian states have historically killed many more Jews than any other religion.

Key word being historic

The current state of affairs has nothing to do with religion so much as it has to do with geopolitics.

Lmaooo dude, please read up on these things before discussing them. I recommend reading Dershowitz’s ‘The Case for Israel’ and then reading Chomsky and Pappe’s On Palestine to balance it off.

You're kidding, right? Every US election is a case study in the phenomenal political baggage that comes with Christianity. The fact is that nobody could be elected president of the US without explicitly stating their devout Christian faith. Whole wings of the GOP are built on "Christian Values" and their protection, while at the same time decrying islam as "un-american".

This is, in my opinion, one of the worst talking-points that exist. Jefferson talks about the “wall of separation between church and state” in a letter in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists.

Let’s look at what he said:

  • Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.*

This doesn’t actually mean that people can’t dictate their morals, and thus their vote, based on their religious ethics. People vote for Christians because they believe others aren’t as ethical as Christians. However, in modern times, the issues the ‘Christian right’ fights for isn’t even close to what Islamists fight for. Does the Christian right want to stone people? Do the want to massive enforced social conservatism? Do they want to kill apostates? Do they want to decapitate robbers? The answer to all these questions is an obvious ‘NO’. This is not the case with Islam. This is the same stupid argument that Markos Moulitsas made in his ""book"" titled American Taliban. It's a stupid argument with no actual basis since many, if not most, Islamists actually try to enforce their religious laws, which a tiny tiny tiny minority of Christians do so.

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