That's a fair point.

Kobe wasn't good in 1999, he didn't really hit is stride till the following years and then hit the biggest stride the year after that.

Maybe dominance is a strong word, but hes definitely beaten Duncan more then Duncan has beaten him there records indicate that, Hes like 20-12 against the spurs?

MVPs, what an award lebron didn't get it over rose when he should have. But its a fair point. Thought the olympics thing is still their. As for the FMVP, 02 it could have gone either way shaq got it, thats fine.

The point is when you're at that level we can nit pick stuff against each other all day. For me it comes down to the better scorer, long ass prime specially for a wing. Olympic runs, repeats better scorer(but duncans the better defender, though thats because his position is more important defensively).

Like I said I think they are very close but my opinion is based around the fact that more facts point to kobe being better. I am not making this decisions based off homerism.

Mentally/leadership is most important in repeats because teammates lose motivation. That's always the toughest part about repeating. Kobe got over that hump the first 3 then against the next two. Hearing phil talk about being on his teammates ass and squeezing the best out of them is indicative of that fact. Duncan is great mentally but he never spread that to his teammates and every year after they won they had a weak showing because they had lost that motivation somehow.

Look when they came back hungry as fuck in miami beat them. Next year most of the roster had lost it. Duncan kept it, sure but he never got his teammats to be the same way. Kobe forced his personality on his teammates hence the narrative of "he makes his teammates better" squeezes the best out of them.

Where as popovich does that role on the spurs kobe fulfilled that role for his teams.

Sasha/Brown/Odom/Bynum example players who were never as good anywhere else(never had success) as they were on LA, because leadership.

Where everyone knows those players from spurs got there success do to Pop and then went on to be good else where too usually.

I am not saying there arent arguments for duncan over kobe. There are. I just think there are more for kobe, and when you put this lists together its clear Kobe > Duncan. Also I still think the fact their peers thing kobe is superior is HUGE.