Millions of people globally on welfare based on psychiatry saying they are 'sick'

You can live in hope that one day billions of people are collectively going to all agree on how to distribute land without violence, all agree on how to parent kids without violence, all agree on how to engage in sexual relations without violence, on and on, it's pure utopian thinking, and when someone comes to the position that government is evil, but a minimally necessary evil, like a minarchist, they don't do it lightly. It was civilization, that allowed the population to get so large, and the civilization has some major features including how land is managed, the sheer numbers are partly a product of the existing land regime's rules, the idea that billions and billions of people are going to peacefully agree about the use of natural resources, is something unworthy of consideration, it's the thing of fiction, utopian fiction. You endorse big government 'services', and the tax time slavery that comes with them, that is a shame. I endorse a police force that can tell you to get off my land. You might be subjected to violence for 3 minutes getting off my land, I might be subjected to violence for decades straight in terms of how many hours of my life in tax violence I'm subjected to. And this anachronistic way of talking about 'workers' you have, there is no unified blob of people who 'are workers', in the west today, people can spent the first 20-25 years of their life as state funded wards being schooled and fed, and the final 20 even 30 years of their life as welfare state pensioners, even during the time they are 'workers', they move in and out of having to work and in and out of owning land or not owning land depending on how responsible they are at investing and saving and choosing. Working is an activity, it's not a type of human being, some 'breed apart', from the 'capitalist', and even then, every commie marxist's own parents decided to bring them into the world where all the land was already owned, didn't your parents do much more violence to you than the majority who agrees with trespassing laws?

I'll revisit something older you said

Here's how this works. The capitalist class violently steals billions from the workers who created that wealth

the 'workers' opened the newspaper and voluntarily applied for a job at a company, the people running the company used to be workers and still do work in most cases, the worker got paid, too,

(via absentee ownership of the land the worker is 'absent' from the home he could own, the owner of the factory is probably sitting in an office in the factory and not absent from it, there state of being present or absent is constantly in flux and infinitely complex in a mass society, the pat, and it is pat, marxist buzzphrase 'absentee ownership' doesn't wash with me

& natural resources the 'workers' i know seem to go to the polls and vote in droves for governments that keep natural resource arrangements in place, so why do you paint the 'workers' as some victim group?

, monopolies, regulations, etc.)

the regulations are put in place by governments the masses vote for, the 'workers' seem to support these 'regulations'

Then other people tax them to give it to their victims.

It is probably the most pernicious and false thing of all, to claim that 'other people' are voting for the taxes, it's the same people just as much of the time, and when the taxes pay for people to be state wards with violence funded education until 25 and retirement violence funding from age 65-85, and they spent their working decades constantly voting for governments that keep the status quo in place, it's hard to make the argument that reality is some 'battle' between 'victim workers' and 'capitalists'. In the minarchist state you could arrive, work for a while, keep 99 percent of the fruits of our labor, secure some land, and enjoy enormous amounts of freedom, in a 'social democracy' you're the beneficiary and unwilling tax slave for decades of your time so that utopians can pile on, year on year, and decide a new 'service' needs to be tax violence funded, and more and more freedom disappears year on year, as those who love using the machinery of state intrude into more and more aspects of your life and time, anyway, I am just glad there are 200 plus countries in the world and hopefully one of them gets a limited government, but the libertarian 'hope' that one government is going to limit itself is probably as naive as the anarchist 'hope' that 7 billion decision makers are going to agree about land without violence. In the meantime we are sentenced to be subject to the whim of others.

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