Alright I'll start again because I got sidetracked arguing semantics. You obviously misunderstood a lot of what I was trying to say, and that's my fault due to poor and rushed wording.

I also see you've edited your initial posts substantially, after I responded of course. Let's just start again shall we because I'm bored at work.

First and foremost, I'll quote my initial post which you responded to:

It's sad, but stuff like this is why Trump won. People are sick of being told what to think.

Not only did I agree that it's "sad" people are switching their stance based on annoyance of ads/campaigns - but I also started talking about an issue which you didn't seem to touch on - "people are sick of being told what to think"

All you said about that was that "the right does that too!". And yes, they did and they do - but how effective is it really? I wasn't arguing that it's acceptable for one side to do it or not, I was saying that it's bad. The Left never used to do this - and that's why we live in a far more Liberal society - but they won the cultural war and are partaking in these tactics too now. People will push back, like they pushed back on being called murderers for aborting unwanted kids.

All your arguments seemed to point to the fact that there are parallels with the Right... but that doesn't mean it's the correct thing to do. Not once did I say it was acceptable or OK, you put those words in my mouth and forced me to defend THAT point instead of arguing my initial point. In other words, a straw man fallacy.

I lean Right, but mostly due to the economical nature of the Right. As far as civil liberties I'm as Left as can be. I will vote Yes, but the tactics the Left are using will hurt them in the long run.

It makes zero sense for people to vote based on annoyance of ads.

Yeah, it does make no sense. But that's not what I was suggesting.

Whether or not it's "stupid" doesn't change the fact that it does happen. You have too much faith in the lowest common denominator, i.e the population which wins elections.

People do not want to see other regular people's opinions. They don't want to see Damo's stance on SSM, and they don't want to see Frank's viewpoint on the economy. The fact is, the more rallying, posters and ads that keep popping up the more negatively whatever they're arguing for will be viewed. This is because people simply don't care as much as others will have you believe.

So, you have something which people don't care about popping up everywhere. "ugh not this again" is muttered. There is such thing as over saturation, and that's what's happening right now. It happens with TV shows, it happens with general drama, it happens with ANYTHING that we, as humans, are exposed to. To suggest it doesn't happen with campaigns is laughable.

Of course, there are others who don't share this viewpoint. But I strongly believe that the majority of people fall in this bracket.

For some reason we're talking about Trump.

Well, I did bring him up in my initial post.

You're mostly right about the polls and the margins, but I want to touch on something else to do with the campaign - the way the Left attacked. The Lefts battle plan was to tear down Trump, and all they could think about was small political correctness issues. Talking about "banging" some chick was a highlight, as was his general demeanor with women. The fact is, yet again, that most people have acted the same way he did. Trump won because he said "I don't care, this is me". He played on the fact that he is "Real" whereas his opponents lied about being perfect, politically correct citizens.

This rallied a once silent set of voters. People who were fed up with political correctness when they, for the most part, weren't hurting anyone. Of course, he also rallied the extremists and violent people which the Left latched onto, but the main thing is the people who were constantly called "racist" for jokes, "sexist" for looking at women, etc.

He won because he didn't try to be politically correct. He didn't shy away from being called a "racist" or a "sexist" because people are sick of hearing that about themselves. The Left pushed too far, and people reacted.

The same thing is happening with this debate. Joe Blow with 2 kids thinks "eh maybe they shouldn't get married". But if he said that, he would be crucified. You literally cannot say "no" without backlash - and that's the issue. It doesn't matter if the Right did it or does it, it's still wrong. "But miss, he hit me FIRST!!"

So, to tie it all up - people are fed up of being told they're wrong. People are fed up of seeing opinions they don't really care about all over the news and posters everywhere. The Left really needs to be careful moving forward, because bombarding people and "rallying" people just isn't working anymore. It worked when they were the minority, but now they're not.

But maybe that's just human nature, and why politics seems to be so cyclical. People just get sick of the status quo.