Shiki Tohno (Tsukihime) vs Shiki Ryougi (Kara no Kyoukai)

Okay, you want to play hardball? Let's play hardball.

Here he puts her as the top 3 strongest characters within all of his works (bear in mind this includes DDD so Kanata is there, but I won't touch on her because she has planetbuster feats). BUT, he puts her fighting potential below Ciel against an AVERAGE servant with an AVERAGE Noble Phantasm.

What does Nasu mean by average? Here- no special effects, no hard counters, just something straightforward like Barrier of the Wind King and Striking Death Flight.

This is not different from Nrvnqsr who has a reality marble within himself from which he can call massively physically enhanced familiars, phantasmal beasts, and demons going above the phantasmal races (supposedly). Shiki fought Phantasmal Beasts from his Chaos and won. Need I even remind you that Rider's Pegasus is such a beast?

Well, you got the primordial demons thing right. You implying ORT would get turned to dust after a stab from 「」is:

  1. Hypothetical
  2. Based off no precedent and your personal headcanon
  3. Groundless statements.

Aoko Aozaki told us in Mahoyo that the Root is the Seat of God, it is not inhabited by a being. It is clear proof that 「」only being able to fight defensively vs an average servant with a nonremarkable noble phantasm, whereas Shiki can fight an overwhelm a being who can contend with top-ranked servants with abilities reserved for said top-ranked servants, is precedent enough to believe Void is all talk.

Also, please, if you understood the MEoDP well enough, you would know that both Tohno and Ryougi are connected to the root- there is no difference. Your argument is that 「」, because it is directly connected and thus transcends Gaian limitations and a Gaian frame of mind, is capable of killing anything and everything.

This statement exists without precedent. Your argument may be valid but is far from sound- by your logic, 「」with such hax could simply delete Noble Phantasms from existence because they still come under the almighty source- but being able to only fight defensive against an average servant with an unremarkeable Noble Phantasm directly tells us otherwise.

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