Is symbolism given too much emphasis in literature classes?

You and I clearly have differering political opinions.

You’d be surprised.

I'm well aware of how sophisticated and extensive propaganda is in democratic societies, especially western countries like the USA. But I find it remarkable that even in the topic of surveillance that they manage to persuade people that it was a good think. I remember how we were taught about the disgusting acts of surveillance done by Stasi in East-Germany in the Cold War, when I was a student at school. 10 years later, when facts about Western governments spying on a scale that puts even Stasi to shame is revealed, it somehow is portrayed as "ok". Here in Norway, the chapters about this surveillance, that as pretty prominently taught to students from middle school, has suddenly disappeared in teaching lessons... The justifications that our government give, of which you repeat them ("to protect us", basically), are excactly the same justification made by any surveillance regime -- including Stasi.

You don’t have a point, though. What do we do instead? Again—so what if Nolan approves of this sort of stuff in his fucking Batman movie? There’s literally no politicizing around it, sensibly speaking. Answer my question about the nuclear bomb.

No, he is making a propaganda piece of the War on Terror, of which he clearly paints the picture from the doctrines of the American government. It's subervise and disgusting.

Or maybe you’re just knee-jerking dumb.

And you would do well to look up the definition of terrorism. The worst terrorist campaigns in the world are by far are the ones that’s being orchestrated by states like the France, Great Britain, Israel, US, Russia and China -- not organizations. But that's a topic for another discussion.

Viva la revolucion! And in the meantime we should just let terrorists to their insanity. How dare Nolan make such a movie!

Because he is being apologetic, and even hailing, violation of international law?

Context. Is it not a broken system which allows bad guys freedom to do bad just by crossing some line?

This is is a dumbed down and simple analysis of the film.

And yet you don’t seem to have got at all that a moral dilemma was central to the movie.

If you're gonna be this childish and incompetent, as to flat out attack my personality by claiming i'm a communist as a an attempt at rejecting my opinion so early in the discuss, I'm not intersted in discussing this further with you.

No, no, that’s not what I was doing, friend. When I call you 'communist', what I mean to say is merely that you’re ridiculous where Nolan is practical. I don’t consider communism the great evil most people do. I’m asking you: What the fuck should the Batman movies have been about other than what they were about?

The problem with The Dark Knight is not that it's not anti-authoritarian. The problem is that i blatantly promotes disgusting fascist ideas. Ideas like that fact that lying to the public and keeping them out of the truth is good, as it helps keeping the society stable. I

Ridiculous. You really need to step back into the real world bro. Bet you're an atheist, too, right? Down with God and State! A little boy trying to tear the whole world down. But then he dies with the rest of us.

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