Timeline of same-sex partnership rights in Europe as of December 2017

Your whole attitude from the first sentence to the last is hostile, full of biased presumptions and you also give contradictory statements.

Feel free to point out the contradictory statements, mightve missed something.

you have "given up" and yet you have initiated lawsuits? Where?

"halduskohus" you cannot go to echr or any other eu court until youve exhausted local options, which takes time.

maybe your lawsuits are completely baseless and just wasting time and resources, maybe they are for great purposes.

well theyre not baseless, but i dont know how to prove it, I dont intend to publicly post the papers either.

Maybe you're trolling, maybe not.

I definitely have nothing better to do.

Why do you think I would justify the government in any case? I definitely wouldn't. Self-criticism is very important to any proper society.

Experience. every level of estonian government, including the individual workers (i mean they are people? ive been told that it isnt worth treating me because im a net negative on haigekassa, by one of its directors. so my life isnt worth anything to them) there have justified the government. the few people i told about my issue in r/eesti justified the government. only two people ive talked to (not including my lawyer) did not justify the government. Now add the estonian/russian uneducated fossils that live here who think lgbt people are icky and would vote/protest against ANYTHING that would help lgbt people. the gay marriage example is fantastic here, there are people literally campaigning against it, on the basis that it hurts their feelings.

I dont assume anything good out of estonians anymore. I assume everyone is a piece of shit until proven otherwise, I obviously dont act as hostile IRL to people because im not retarded, but this is the internet where i can speak my mind without repercussions. I used to think that people were reasonable and mostly nice. That changed when people proved themselves to be pieces of shit ultimately.

However, it is difficult to do that when a person has basically written off this society as worthless piece of shit

what else am i supposed to do? most people living in estonia are very regressive/conservative, against lgbt people in one way or another and generally not very nice to be around. Not everyone, but most. what else am i supposed to do? glorify it?

has apparently some huge personal grudges against the state.

it tends to be that people get some massive personal grudges if the state says that everyone has access to free healthcare, EXCEPT lgbt people, who we will restrict however we want, regardless if it kills them.

I also don't understand why you think LGBT issues here are so bad, as basically Russia-tier.

I dont know where to even begin. I wish i could show you some of the shit social ministry has written in response to the lawsuit or some of the shit theyve lied about. I realyl have no idea how to even begin describing the crap estonia does. I'll think about it and send you a message later when ive figured it out. Im about to have some food, but ill send you something more coherent after that.

don't know what social groups you hang around with, but mine is definitely the more tolerant one. The Estonian-speaking, generally educated, youth

You mean the minority of people within estonia? young people are a minority. and not even all young people are for lgbtl, plenty are against.

Also, the government sucks on the issue, but it sucks less than Latvia-Lithuania level of just ignoring it completely

Uh, Hello, our government literally ignores these issues. this is quite literally exactly what they do all of the time, until someone forces their hand via a lawsuit or public shaming. they do not do anything unless forced.

Russia-tier of widespread campaign against them.

Oh yes, instead of the government campaigning against lgbt people, You get people like varro vooglaid to do it. Not as bad i'll admit, but still pretty bad.

remember, these people are why gay marriage is not a thing in this country.

And finally, I have not attacked you randomly, you should just make some more sensible criticism and explain it more, rather than be 2/3 about what inferno is living here and then 1/3 maybe about the problem.

my original message in this thread wasnt meant to be sensible criticism, just blowing off steam.

Sorry, but if you came with such an attitude to me, I would also ignore you. And if you use that everywhere, you might get the feeling that nobody cares or does anything.

That attitude only came after i realised that no one cares. i was much nicer to people 3-4 years ago.

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