I think it's odd that that's what you think of us. You might be right in some cases, though. I'm not really trying to improve myself. I went through that years ago. Funny thing is that it worked for the most part. I'm confident in my looks, but also never really got hung up on them. Even when I was 100 lbs heavier, I was comfortable in my own skin. As I see it, the world is different things to different people. Self improvement may seem stupid to you. That's fine. It's not really something worth arguing about. There are plenty of people on this sub that are in situations similar to incels. Some were, but something changed. I find the idea of the truth to be self serving. You're gonna live your life as you see fit. So am I.