Where are all the feminists?

First, it's one person, who is probably feminst (I have yet to see any proof that she actually identify as one).

You know the 1/4 of college women have been raped statistic that gets bandied about in the movement? That's Koss. She's a seriously major player in the movement, and has been for a long time. May her faction die out and be left to the graveyard of history, but she's still influencing things today. She was even hired by Gloria Steinem to make that survey... you recognize that name, right? If you have to, give credit for her career's surge to Steinem.

Second, the FBI definition of rape was only including "rape using force on specifically women" until very recently (2013).

Hmm, thought that changed at the end of 2011. But yes, that's absolutely true. And there are absolutely feminists who helped make that change, and I fully credit them for it... there were just also feminist on the other side of that fight, which we can't deny.

The latest study from Marry Koss is from 2011 (I think this is the latest?).

And the problem is that the CDC still uses her definition.

Can you show me some actual feminists claiming this? Preferably not second-wave man hating ones.

That's the problem: you can define anyone who claims this as a second wave man hating one. I mean, I'd put Jill Valenti in that category based on all the fucked up things she's said, but you could totally dismiss her as a man hating second wave hold out if you wanted. Or I could count Steinem, but it's fare to call her second wave (though I'm not sure I agree with the man hating part). Let's face it, these people exist. Others in the movement who are much better also exist (I'll name Janet Halley as an awesome example). But we cannot deny what's happened there.

We must accept the good of the past along with the bad, and laud one while being critical (and not denying) the other.

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