I'm pretty tired of repeating it, but people must think about the fact that CK3 or Victoria 3 won't be what they think/mean with CK/Victoria just because they'll be labeled as such. Paradox is trying to move away from its original niche that gave it a foothold in a big and complex market and industry to make a step further and become a bigger company. They're dumbing down their products and they're reaching a wider audience. No way they'll publish another incest or spreadsheet simulator, no wonder Victoria 3 is still nowhere near a possibility after so many years. Stellaris is way better, with its space movies characterization and cute/ugly strange creatures.

They will be more polished games, like HoI4: modified EUs basically, which is their most shallow, most abstracted, most generic, best selling, most famous game.

I've taken already so much downvotes for this. Just like when I was denouncing HoI4 AI and Stellaris being just a marketing move without a game at the base. It's easier to agree when the community shifts to these positions.

However, have fun with your CK and Victoria 3.