Yeah, but he didn't want to be the regent of Joffrey specifically, that's why he told Cersei to flee and tried to make his move with the city guard

The move with the city guards was so he could confront Cersei. I doubt Ned was so stupid that he didn't that is likely end in a fight.

I could say the same to you, frankly it's hard to see why his main plan would be to dethrone Cersei as I said he might not like her or Joffrey but he has no special hard grudges against them to be actively working on taking them out because he just hates them so much, while it's confirmed of his special bond with the Tyrells

He hates her and fears for his safety in respect to her. He has every reason to want to see her deposed. She is clearly highly ambitious with her repeatedly advancing Lannister power within the capital. Heck, IIRC she was one the main driving force why Jaime was named Warden of the East. It is only time before she starts pushing for Storm's End and Dragonstone to be given to her children.

Two of Renly's plans benefited heavily the Tyrells, his second plan is situational, designed to take Cersei out as she woudl acquire complete control of KL and make unable for his plans regarding the Tyrells to continue

Yet, all three plans benefit him and depose Cersei. Thus, that is the common factor not the only that only benefits the individual in two of them. Moreover, it isn't like he can marry Robert thus he of course needs someone in the first case. Nor can he just rebel against the throne by himself.

once again I'd like for you to show me your secret Renly; Loras POV where we learn that Renly has a flaming hate for Cersei to the oint of plotting against her for the sake of it and the Tyrells only being his tools

We are repeatedly told it by secondary characters, Renly's words, and Renly's actions. Where is your secret Stannis' POV showing that he has no ambitions? Yet, you act like that is some fact.

My argument was not that, it seems you still don't get it, I will not repeat myself though since you will probably not get it again

Once again with the lies is there anything you don't lie about? You directly said Dany's actions didn't darken her as she would have performed those actions.

Hardly, if it D&D think it didn't fit his image it wouldn't be filmed in the first place and it would be discarded before script creations, teh scene was made thus the only viable reason it could've been cut out is technical reasons

Here is your double standard regarding speculation once more.

Anyway, I don't care for this scene at all, it's not part of my arguments btw, I just used to show your double standart

Wow, another lie from you and you using a double standard while whining about double standard. Great trick.

I completely disagree with your last statement btw

Of course you biased ass would say that. Show:Renly had nothing in common with Book:Renly.

speculation

It fully fits with Cersei's characters thus Renly would have reason to fear it.

That's also a Tyrell

Is Renly meant to marry Robert? Of course he would pick a girl from a house he has strong ties to. Why would he recommend Asha Greyjoy or whoever?

I have no doubt Renly would gain something as well but his biggest desire was very clearly to put the Tyrells into the power

You haven't proven that to be his biggest desire and his actions go against that stance.

And how does this helps your argument of how Renly felt about the current situation?

We know that he fears Cersei and that gives reason for why he would fear and hate Cersei. I know reading into stuff is hard for you, but I recommend trying it sometime.

What we know for certan is that Renly was trying to take Cersei out to introduce theh Tyrells, a family he had a special bonding with, that's it. He might have disliked Cersei and her sons, but not enough to have so much of a grudge to actually orchestrate these plans as nothing indicates the fact

We know he hates Cersei, we know he fears Cersei, we know he doesn't particularly doesn't like Joffrey, and we know that main constant in all of his plans was deposing Cersei. Contrast, introducing Tyrells in power isn't a constant.

And look at that, personal attacks huh..as expected of you

If the shoes fits...

Oh but weren't you the one saying we have to always doubt a character motivations?

We should only luck has it Renly's actions also back this and so do opinions by other characters.

also talks repeatedlyabout the threat Cersei posed him?

He tells it to both Ned and Catelyn.

First statement is actually true, Renly only emebers tid bits he doesn't has the full experience, I doubt you can find an adult that rememberstheir experiences as a 5/6 yo child

You really cannot stop lying can you? There is exactly nothing in the books that indicates that he doesn't remember with him directly remembering events. None of ASOIAF ages are that logical unless you really think inexperienced 14 would beat numerous veteran lords or that organization would elect 15/16 old to lead them.

second statement was my mistake,

Sure.....

someone unable to recognize that their headcanons aren't facts and unable to be humble and recognize their mistakes

Says the person that acts like his headcanon is fact and throws a fit if someone disagrees. Heck, you one that decided to randomly throw out an attack against me in response to post that didn't concern you.

The difference, is that wiki (like AWOIAF) sticks with facts, Elio and Linda might have their opinions but they are profesionals, I particurlaly disagree with his opinion regarding Renly and Donal Noye's words,, I think DN words nail Renly's character and his desires.

In other words: "I trust them when I can use it to praise Stannis, but if they defend a character I don't like then they aren't trustworthy."

You might have a point about that line being used to introduce Ollena but I don't see how that line would be an introduction to Noyle isince he wasn't that important, it was obviously a statement used to show the difference between the Baratheon brothers

Noye is one of the major figures at the Wall. Moreover, as mentioned we see how Noye is absolutely wrong in his judgement. Robert was always crap and Stannis bends all the time.

Oh so you trust Varys now? Perharps Cersei was truly lost in what to do regarding Renly's plan, perharps not, but alas in Stannis mind it was clear she had something to do with J.A death

Varys was speaking in private to Illyrio, thus by your standards he has no reason to lie. In Stannis' paranoid mind which was incorrect.

Better the secret safe and reuniting support in a safe place than in a nest of vipers where his presence would make no difference and he would be with a huge target in his back

What use is of the secret being safe if Stannis is never going to reveal it? Or was he thinking Robert would miss him and they would then turn into the bestest of buddies if he just waited?

Even a non schemer could fuel Renly's ego enough to make him king, perhaps even Loras could've raised such a suggestion

Why bother? It would be a much better plan for Mace to just side with Joffrey from the start. Which is out character for Loras' character.

Idk about that, that's what people say about him but I'm not that sure, show Mace is a oaf though

But if a man that doesn't know Renly says something negative about him then it complete fact.

Well he was a king, why woudln't he lead? The question here isif the idea to declare himself king came from him

If he was just a means for the Tyrells to gain power why would they then give him all the power.

Because of technical situation,

Speculation

Purely logic, if the scene wasn't approved it would be cut in the script by D&D

Or they changed their minds after it was filmed.