Goku is 500x Universal Dammit

Didn't you see that other recent rant though? We can't use feats. The amount of damage an attack does being used as a feat to prove it can deal that amount of damage doesn't mean an attack failing to do any damage can be used as a feat to say that it inflicted no damage.

It means the author knows nothing about telling their story and we should ignore both what's on the page and any additional context surrounding a "feat" in favor of the most extremist fancalcs, fanon, and "Well WoG is that they have split durability as ...in a fight Ki is the most important thing is Ki... as they have to use Ki to reinforce their physicals but that wouldn't make them as strong as if their big flashy signature attacks that they have to charge up and are exhausted after using were to actually be much weaker than their regular physical attacks despite the fact characters are shown to have split durability every single time they get hit without their guard up or in base as compared to when ready and at full power throughout the entire series" levels of shit logic we can manage.

Remember when Goku and Vegeta went to fight Buu together because Vegeta didn't drop Goku with a sneak attack after they fought and Goku was getting Senzu beans out because Goku's base durability is the same as when his guard is up? No?

Remember when Goku remained in base form and didn't bother parrying Future Trunks sword in any way because durability is in no way tied to an active defense of any kind and nobody in DB ever powers up at all? Still not remembering those?

How about way back when Demon King Piccolo shot Kid Goku out of the air and Goku blocked it breaking his arms? Then Goku was caught off guard by an eye beam and was unharmed by it? Then got nuked by a concentrated Ki attack that was at least city busting at point blank and was vaporized?

Remember during that same fight how Piccolo totally hadn't taken a hostage and threatened to kill them if Goku powered up? Then blew rocks at him to no effect? Unlike the previous point in the fight where the enemy nearly killed poor little Goku when he punched him out of the air leaving a crater over a meter across?

I'm certain you must remember some of those because Goku has a consistent base durability that is in no way affected by any sort of active defense and powering up doesn't affect his physical abilities in any way.

I mean everyone agrees that Split Durability is a noncanon fan theory and despite being quite literally how it works both implicitly and explicitly within the series damn near 100% of the time with WoG endorsement:


"DBZ Super Exciting Guide: Story Volume: The Truth of the Dragon Ball Manga: Toriyama thought of it this way Special: Toriyama: "In battle, the most important thing is the size of your ki, and your control over it. Ki as a concept of course includes such spiritual powers as energy [genki], courage [yūki], and right-mindedness [shōki]. No matter how much you train, there are limits to physical strength, and the only way to overcome that is through ki. I think Goku was able to approach the mightiest warriors in the universe through strengthening his ki"


That's not how it works though because the page is drawn wrong, the author wrote the wrong words, the plot is independent of the characters, Toriyama doesn't have the authority to make statements about what the author of Dragon Ball thought, and anyone who disagrees with your personal fanon is wrong.

Because in a fair debate that treats Goku like any other character making a fair estimation of his abilities he might lose sometimes. And Goku never loses. Not once in all of DB has Goku lost a fight. I know you're about to point out all the times he lost but any example you can name is clearly just a case of the new logic by which a feat showing he lost can't be used to prove he lost or would lose to whoever he lost to at that point.

I got sidetracked for a bit there but getting back on topic I'm honestly sick of the way we just flip the feat hierarchy when talking DB taking fanon and wiki's over on page feats and WoG while pretending it's somehow fair to do so.

Is Goku a Universe Buster? Sure. There's plenty of evidence he is. The Kai said he would take it out in a few blows and he has got much stronger since then. Characters around his same power level have broken arena barriers that were designed and tested to have Universe level durability. Is he 500xUniverse? No. He's from a series with 12 Universes and cannot possibly bust more than 12 Universes. However much like planet busting uses Earth as an implicit base for scaling he could be more than that if some revelations are made about the relative size of Universe in DB and ours however until that time he's hard capped at 12 though the amount of effort needed to do so could certainly decrease. Busting a dozen universes at 10% power is a good deal above busting a dozen universes at 1,000 times your normal maximum power despite both being 12 universe busting after all.

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