A major problem with the Kalam that isn't often discussed

My point was that virtual atoms and quantum foam certainly demonstrate something that may very well be popping into and out of existence.

There is nothing that supports this. All they demonstrate is that the scope of observation is imprecise. If you calmly observe what this claim insists upon, as the other poster alluded to, then really you can't claim you observed anything at all. Because the principle supporting the validity of your observations relies on the axiomatic assertion that causality holds. Otherwise how do you know you observed that they popped in and out of existence without cause and not that your instrumentation just randomly registered the event ... you know, uncaused?

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