Portrait of a New Radical

You want a radical counterculture that is popular and cohesive.

No, I never said that. Where are you drawing these conclusions?

You think it's ridiculous of me to say that mainstream mass culture is far more fractured today than it was 30 or 50 or 100 years ago.

No, I think it's ridiculous to think that mainstream mass culture has ever been cohesive in the first place.

Since that time, the internet happened and made everyone a publisher. Cultural cohesiveness was forever fractured.

Preacher, meet choir.

You can't reinstate a grand cultural narrative that postmodernism has already dismantled.

Disregarding you're misinterpretation of what I said, if the ideal behind metamodernism is reconstruction then I'd wager that it's possible.

Does a butterfly's flapping wings in Chile cause a tornado in Kansas? Of course it does. But not in any predictable or reliable manner.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

You can't control it. You can't control how other people in other cultures who speak other languages might respond to it.

No shit; that doesn't mean the influence of its occurrence is lost.

Or are you reading poorly translated reports of a twitter account about a protest from the perspective of your own cultural narrative and then performing an interpretive dance about it.

Something tells me that you know it's not that one-sided but you're not going to admit it for the sake of your argument.

The truth is that no human alive can speak with certainty about the degree to which, or exact method by which Occupy did or did not influence uprisings elsewhere.

You can with social media; the internet has made it so that the truth is quantifiable. Why don't you actually go through a twitter feed during a major protest and you'll see what I mean.

If Occupy didn't happen, there's no indication that those uprisings wouldn't have happened anyway.

Of course not but we know how things played out. Without Occupy those revolutions may or may not have happened at the time they did or even at all, but we do know how things happened.

The Amish are a rapidly growing counterculture.

No, they're not; their very principles have been eroding away for decades.

I don't know what you mean by "to come." Come to who, where?

I meant "to form."

It's a reality of how culture and society operate today that you cannot simply fantasize away.

But postmodernism is an idea that came about long before the internet and the radical changes of today, it would be foolish to think it is "the end of history" that these changes in society wouldn't bring something new forth. That's why we need to oscillate between multiple facets of a given narrative in order to keep progressing.

The revolution will not be televised, tweeted or blogged.

No, but the vibes will.

I think you're just turned off by the pretentiousness of the piece; we're arguing semantics at this point and are mostly in agreement.

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